Posts by Ramer

I understand the intention behind keeping certain class combinations unique instead of making them all follow the same structure, and I agree that maintaining their individual character is important.

Regarding Bard/Scout, I also noticed the recent Focus management improvement and I appreciate that change. My feedback is not meant to remove what makes these combinations unique, but rather to point out situations where their unique mechanics may become unnecessarily limiting or negatively affect their overall performance.

I think there is definitely room to preserve the identity of combinations like Scout/Knight while still adjusting some of the mechanics that currently make them less practical in certain situations.

I would also like to raise another point regarding the current class balance.

Recently, many magical classes have received very significant buffs. Looking at my latest runs, I can see situations where players with PvE gear ranked around 200–400 points lower are still dealing more DPS than the current leather meta. I am not even including differences in artifact level or cards here, which can further increase this gap.

Because of this, it is difficult not to get the impression that one side is being listened to more than the other when it comes to class balancing. I would therefore suggest bringing the balance forum back to life and posting planned balance changes there earlier, so players can comment on them and provide feedback before they are implemented.

This is also worth considering in the context of the nerfs to Scout/Druid and Scout/Bard. The S/D nerf was very noticeable, while S/B, in my opinion, is still practically unplayable and has become a class with very little reason to use after the changes that were introduced.

I have also recently tested Bard/Rogue and Bard/Champion. Compared to other leather classes, they can actually perform quite well, especially B/R with the World Boss weapon. However, when looking at the overall class balance, their DPS is still rather average.

My point is not that magical classes should simply be heavily nerfed again. I would rather see a broader approach to balancing the different class groups and more opportunities for the community to provide feedback before major balance changes are introduced.

I understand, but I have already raised the issue with B/S, which I believe was hit too hard. Before the changes, with comparable gear, it was not significantly behind W/M. At the moment, B/S feels mostly like a support/buffer class rather than a viable damage option. With average gear it is very difficult to make it competitive, and even with top-end gear its performance is rather average — somewhere around the middle of the pack.

The problem is that, as far as I can see, this issue has still not really been acknowledged. Meanwhile, W/M continues to perform extremely well. To make the situation slightly more ironic, the strongest Scout combination currently seems to be S/WL, while S/D is receiving another nerf.

I have also mentioned the problems with S/K on the forum. In my opinion, this combination needs a more fundamental rework, especially because some of its mechanics can push bosses into textures or otherwise interfere with encounter mechanics and tactics. However, there has been no response to that either.

I can absolutely collect my suggestions regarding Scout again, and I can do the same for Rogue. I am also happy to take part in a proper discussion about these classes. My concern is simply whether such a discussion would realistically lead to anything, considering that several of these points have already been raised before without receiving even a brief comment.

Please do not misunderstand me — I am not trying to be negative for the sake of it. The problem is that players gradually lose motivation to write detailed feedback, come up with ideas, or repeatedly ask for balance changes when they feel that their feedback is not acknowledged, or when the eventual changes sometimes seem to move in the opposite direction.

At the same time, I know that you are capable of creating good and reasonably fair balance. I remember a period when leather classes were in a genuinely good place. There were many viable options for both Scout and Rogue, even before Bard was introduced. It was not perfectly balanced, of course, but players had a real choice between multiple competitive combinations.

In a way, we are moving towards equality again — but unfortunately it sometimes feels like leather classes are becoming equal mainly by being brought down to a similar level, while the strongest magical combinations remain far ahead.

From my perspective, magical classes seem to be balanced upwards towards the strongest magical combinations. I actually think this is a good approach, provided that the other archetypes are gradually brought towards a similar level as well. At the moment, however, I do not feel that this is happening with physical classes.

I fully understand that balancing a game with this many class combinations is extremely difficult and that perfect balance will probably never exist. I do not expect every class to deal exactly the same damage. However, the differences could at least be reasonably close.

Right now, in many situations, a player with magical equipment two or even three tiers below comparable leather equipment can still outperform the leather player by a significant margin on many class combinations. And that is before even taking into account differences in cards, artifacts, or individual player skill.

I am still willing to gather my feedback again and discuss Scout and Rogue in detail. I would just like to know that there is a realistic possibility for this feedback to be considered and discussed, even if the final decision is ultimately different from what I suggest.

I know no one will reply to me, because apparently the game forum isn’t meant for communication between the players and the game developers (sarcasm).

But I have a question: do you actually test the changes you implement, and do you consult with each other when it comes to class balance?

Because right now, judging by these changes, either the top physical-class players suddenly don’t know how to play their classes, or there is a serious imbalance in how physical and magical classes are being treated. Once again, magical classes are receiving massive buffs, while physical classes seem to be moving in the completely opposite direction.

I would really appreciate an actual response on the forum explaining what the future direction of class balance is supposed to be and why we are seeing such drastic changes at the two opposite ends of the spectrum.

One last thing regarding balance: spending real money on this game.

At this point, I honestly cannot recommend anyone investing money into the game. Changes like these are simply demotivating and make supporting the server feel increasingly pointless.

You do not listen to player feedback, you barely engage in meaningful balance discussions on the forum, and some changes give the impression that they are not tested properly before going live.

A player can spend months building some of the best gear on the server, invest real money into runes, cards, artifacts and other upgrades, and in the end none of it may matter because someone comes up with a questionable balance idea and pushes it through simply because “it seems like it should be fine.”

That is not a healthy way to handle balance in a game where players are encouraged to invest both huge amounts of time and real money into their characters.

If you want people to continue supporting the server financially, then balance decisions need to feel consistent, tested and transparent. Right now, they often feel random, poorly communicated and disconnected from actual gameplay.

And that is exactly what makes people think twice before spending another cent on the game.

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can totally confirm that we have a new dead class

after some adjustments, that were made today, the single target is ok now (worse than s/d for example).

but the AOE damage suffered a lot and is in a bad spot now. I don't think that there is any scout having this weak AOE, except s/p.

Buffing the aoe by at least 50% would be a must have I think

I thought they would just reduce the focus scaling and adjust the class to bring it more in line with the other combinations — pretty simple, just move the slider a bit left or right.

But that still doesn’t change the fact that for the last few patches, I’ve had the feeling that only the magic classes are actually getting proper attention, while the rest are either handled carelessly or barely touched at all.

Hey! I’ve done my first S/B tests after the recent “BALANCE” changes.

I was already expecting this combination to receive a nerf, and I do agree that some adjustment was justified. However, the scale of the change feels far too harsh.

At the moment, even with very high-end gear, the new jewelry, level 3/4 artifact runes, and 25% artifact enhancements, S/B performs only around an average level compared to players with significantly weaker equipment.

That is quite disappointing, because it feels like another leather combination has been pushed into a state where only a handful of players with extremely strong gear will still be able to make it perform reasonably well. And even then, there is little incentive to play it when several Scout combinations already provide better results.

What I struggle to understand is the reasoning behind such a drastic adjustment. Since there was also no detailed explanation or commentary regarding the change, it is difficult to understand what the intended target for S/B actually was.

I may be wrong, but from the first tests this does not feel like a carefully tuned balance adjustment. It feels more like the combination was simply pushed from being too strong to being too weak.

At the same time, I would like to give credit to the work being done on the magic classes, because those changes generally seem much more measured and thought out. I really hope leather classes can receive the same level of careful attention going forward.

I’m definitely curious to see what the next leather balance changes will look like, because right now the gap between combinations still seems extreme — some are exceptionally strong, while others perform only slightly above support-oriented setups

Hi! I have some feedback regarding S/K – even though I really like the mechanic of the knockback shot (ID 491516), in actual instances it becomes very toxic.

It can push mobs out of the game texture and sometimes even bosses. In certain boss mechanics it can knock them outside of the map entirely. Overall, it ends up breaking the encounter and disrupting the gameplay.

I would suggest making bosses immune to this knockback mechanic, while keeping it unchanged for trash mobs.

Hey! I’m happy about the current changes and I can’t wait to test them all.

I’ve noticed one bug though — corruption stones can be assigned to melee weapons, but unfortunately they can’t be assigned to ranged weapons. 🙂

Hey, I’ve got a casual suggestion: since people are already trading PNC in world chat anyway, maybe you could make it easier and add an option to trade it through the auction house?

Is it just my impression, or does the person responsible for balancing magical classes actually know how to do their job — they make changes, inform players about upcoming adjustments, the changes are frequent, fairly extensive, and well explained? Meanwhile, the balance of leather classes feels like a complete joke, done carelessly by someone who is clearly incompetent.

Is a physical S/M really supposed to use a magical staff just to gain 20% damage on a single skill? Is it really impossible to create a physical staff, the same way a magical dagger or magical crossbow exists? Or something even simpler: S/M using a 2-handed sword (PHYSICAL — yes, I feel the need to emphasize this, because apparently it matters).

S/R — great change, it definitely needed a nerf.

S/Ch — no comment, honestly.

S/K — well… it basically doesn’t exist.

S/B — zero changes for a long time.

B/S — no changes.

B/Ch — also no changes.

This is my subjective opinion, but looking at the recent balance changes, I strongly feel that within your team there are people who are excellent at what they do — and there are also people who clearly should not be doing this job at all.

Hey! Recently I tested S/Ch, S/K, and B/S a bit. My conclusion is that these combinations currently don’t provide any enjoyment in gameplay at all. S/Ch and B/S are slow, and their damage is quite laughable compared to other classes. S/K is a totally strange combination — the knockback mechanic is nice, the AoE damage is rather low but noticeable, and the best surprise is that whether you use a bow or a pistol, the damage is basically the same 😄

I’m pretty much convinced that the people testing the classes have already noticed this as well, so I’d kindly ask for these combinations to be looked into.

As for S/M, I have a small remark — magic classes can use two-handed weapons there and gain greater corruption from this combination, while physical classes have no alternative in the form of a physical two-handed weapon. This is something I would take a closer look at first 🙂

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Congratulations on another successful class balance 🙂 It’s clear that everything is thoroughly tested before being implemented 🙂.

Hello Ramer!

You'll be glad to know that some classes were hotfixed quickly after we've seen them overperform in runs. This was due to an unintentional interaction between the new Sepal Stab AoE and other Modifiers on Warden/Druid specifically, which caused massive damage spikes in custom instances.

Hooroo,

Brontes

I tip my hat for the quick response — it positively surprised me. Now I’m just impatiently waiting for the balance of the “dead” classes — not only my Scout, but also the rest of the magical and melee combinations. 😀

Congratulations on another successful class balance 🙂 It’s clear that everything is thoroughly tested before being implemented 🙂.

I’m also feeling some frustration with the current RNG system. Even with the recent improvements, out of around 30 rolls I only managed to get the stat I was aiming for once. Getting three useful different stats on top of that still feels extremely difficult, even with the “increased chance”.

It’s also a bit funny that in some cases the old corruption system still performs better than the current one, which doesn’t really motivate players to switch weapons.

Hey! I feel that the new instance clearly highlights the problems the Scout is facing. After the corruption nerf, this class has lost a lot (same as many others), but playing with two weapon sets and switching titles is no longer enough. The class is simply weak. Previously, players tried to compensate for this in various ways, but those no longer work.

That’s why I’d like to request substantial changes to this class—not only for S/R, S/D, S/Wd, but also for all the other unplayable combinations.

Regards,

Ramer

I agree, S/D has been nerfed a bit too much, while the other class combinations are fine as they are. Maybe it’s worth starting with small changes, for example to the skill Field of Fire (ID 490464) — make it no longer consume the resource and add 1% to execution?

Hey!

I really liked the changes to S/D, and I have absolutely no complaints there — the class can now, in a way, compete with other classes in instances. As for S/Wd, I do have one comment. Due to the change to the "Scent of the Hunt" skill, the class didn’t exactly get a buff but rather gained the option to go with a non-standard rotation — which performs similarly to the old one. I propose a change to the skill so that it no longer resets "Hidden Peril", but instead lasts for 30 seconds with a 90-second cooldown. That way, the class should perform much better.

Hey!

This might sound strange, but I'm actually glad that S/R got nerfed — it was the only leather class that could even slightly compete with magical gear (considering that leather had a higher gear tier and more bonuses from cards or fusions — otherwise, there was no competition at all).

Thanks to this change, now we can start playing other combinations that are just as weak as S/R is now

I hope the sarcasm is clear.

I’m not capable of achieving your level of “balance.” You’re fixing magical classes — great! And applause to you, because some of them did need adjustments, and I think no one will argue with that.

But why the nerf to S/R?

Yes, from the perspective of physical classes, it was a top-tier combo, but compared to the best magical setups, it was merely "good."

I’d like to get a reasonable explanation for this.

Saying “everyone played it” — sure, but what else were they supposed to play?

S/K? R/M? S/P?

There is no other strong leather-based combo besides S/R. The rest don't exist — they’re useless.

So yes, I’m all for buffing mages, but why nerf the only playable physical combo in leather gear?

S/WD

The skill "Care of Nature" (ID 494378) – I would increase the damage bonus from 5.4% to 8.1%.

Additionally, I would rework the skill "Power of the Forest Spirit" (ID 493392) to deal ranged weapon damage, change its range to 150, and increase its cooldown to 3.5 seconds.

I believe that these minor adjustments would bring S/Wd back into the game, as it hasn't been viable at the highest level for a long time.

S/W

For S/W, I would only add a 10% increase in crossbow attack speed. This should be enough to encourage players to use this class combination while also bringing the crossbow back into the game – as it is currently mainly used by S/M, which is practically dead.

"I propose a small change to S/Ch - Increase the range of the skill 'Joint Strike' (ID 490420) to 170, similar to the skill 'Piercing Arrow' (ID 490400)."

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Hi Guys, since for more and more classes tier list are being created I through it would be nice to create a list for Scout as well but since I don't play all scout classes by myself I will need some help ^~^

So what I will do is I will rank them based on my feeling and what I played / saw in the last months

Feel free to tell me your opinion or correct me with constructive feedback, this tier list will only cover physical scouts so I won't include S/Warlock

Tiers List DMG

S Deals very good DMG,

A still deals good DMG

B deals average DMG

C deals meh DMG

D garbage

S:

S/R , S/D , S/C ( I guess I don't need to say sth about them those classes are pretty good performing rn )

A:

-

B:

S/Warden ( high potential to actually be good, but still underperforming inside orkham/Grafu )

C:

S/Warrior ( also nice potential since skills and playstile is cool but DMG is not good q.q )

D:

S/B , S/P , ( ik those two have buff skills and on a support list S/P would be S but since it is about DMG

S/K , S/M

Both completely disappointing

S/M on pdd gear completly rip RN even tho it can scale with magic and physical

S/K could be good and skills read powerful but on actual combat it is not good and basically trolling

party with knock back arrow

Excluded:

S/Warlock

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Hey! I don’t fully agree with your chart. Right now, S/R is the only scout combination that can confidently be placed in the OP tier. In my opinion, both S/D and S/Ch are A-tier classes. I understand that there are instances where these classes perform similarly (FA, NECRO, IDK), but in top-tier instances, they don’t perform as well.

As for S/WD, I agree with you. S/W is quite an interesting combination—it’s stronger than S/WD (but harder to play). However, the requirements for this class and the effort needed to maximize its potential don’t convince me to place it higher. It requires a greater investment in gear and knowledge to play it well.

Regarding S/B and S/P, they are buffers, and it would be good to turn one of them into a DPS. S/M is a mech. S/K is a project that needs a lot of work—it has potential, but a lot still needs to be done to make it viable.

This is how I currently see the scout

Hey! I have a small suggestion to remove the account binding for Form Fragment and Emotion Fragment from the awakening instance. This would increase trading opportunities for weaker players.

Hey! I don’t see S/R or S/D, S/Ch struggling with large groups of mobs. Was Hurricane Shot supposed to be changed? – I wouldn’t want that. Against large groups of mobs, this skill still deals massive damage, while on smaller groups, it’s useless. In my opinion, you just need to test when it makes sense to use this skill and when it doesn’t. Changing it to 600% would mean you’d be killing large groups of mobs with a single skill, making the scout simply too strong.

The scout/mage combination is a joke in its physical form. It lacks both adequate AoE and single-target damage. Please increase the physical damage

Hey! I'd like to address the issue regarding leather equipment. Overall, I'm satisfied with most of the balance decisions that have been recently introduced. However, there are some issues concerning combinations that are not playable, as well as the use of classes in general races.

Firstly, leather equipment does not allow us to tank. In magical or spiked equipment, there are combinations that are typical tanks, but in the case of leather, we have not yet received the possibility of tanking instances.

Another issue is that the scout has a higher passive strength bonus than dexterity. I don't fully understand this decision because although we have a dexterity bonus in leather equipment, in reality, we passively gain more strength. Now, creating, for example, s/w with additional spiked equipment with a passive skill for strength, it will be clearly stronger in spiked equipment than in leather. A similar strength disparity occurs in s/m, where as a magical DPS, I am stronger than in leather equipment.

Merkur noticed before that there are the least leather combinations. I previously suggested the possibility of tanking or playing as a mage in leather equipment, but unfortunately, it didn't go in that direction. Leather buffers are also not competitive in races, and some combinations, such as s/p and s/b, are practically unplayable, just like s/k.

I don't understand why leather equipment is overlooked in subsequent updates. I propose increasing the passive dexterity bonus and reducing strength. It would also be nice to revamp s/k, s/p, reduce s/b damage, and instead add skills that give bonuses to players in the party. I would also like to be able to play as s/wl in leather equipment, so perhaps you could also provide an additional option to play as a mage or in spiked equipment on par with basic combinations.

Greetings