Quote from Patchnotes 10.4.3.4001
- Implemented gear score system and ranking for it.
What is gear score? Just a possibility to compare gears, or does it affect combat somehow, as it does in other games?
Posts by Zyrex
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I like how much you try to break the balance, some changes are so incomprehensible to me that I am not able to find a logical argues for them. I would like to know the source of these changes: D.
Same here.
@Devs: Maybe add some short explanation to specific changes again, as you did once in the past, which was great? For example, why you changed the berserk the way you did. It's just about the big changes, idc about the small ones.
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Hello,
im sharing the doubt from Cruvor about the need of nerf in s/wd. Currently his biggest potential is AoE burst and in most of our runs the s/d is ahead in single target. With the upcoming change of the biggest dmg source of s/wd the class will actually take a massive hit, while on the other side no other potential combination gets something except a class which in my opinion is already a good scout class the S/D. I would love to see more scout combinations getting some love like s/w or s/r instead of taking a hit to a currently good playable scout class.
Have an UwU day.
Agree. In terms of balancing the scout/warden is one of the few scout classes that can compete with chains and mdps players in our runs. Nerfing the s/wd will make them worse than any other class I guess. Why don't you leave the class as it is @Devs? Seems fine atm.
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Stimmt, da war was. Dann kannst du aber immer noch eine virtualisierte Umgebung im iOS laufen lassen. Parallels oder QEMO funktionieren da sogar auf dem M1. Dann einfach die Win10 ARM da drauf packen und müsste laufen. Hab ich noch nicht getestet (hab nur ein 2017er MBP, aber keinen M1 Mac), aber >HIER< ist ein interessanter Artikel, der genau das beleuchtet.
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D/R
I played this class after recent changes a bit and figured out that the changes were worth it. Finally the class can compete with other dps classes again. However, the overall damage in hoto and rofl is about 75% of my mage/knight (post-patch) and about 70% of my mage/scout. Haven't compared it to my S/M yet but will do soon.
So I think, D/R is good as it is now. True, the damage isn't as good as a mage, but druid has a lot more utility and with some buff adaption it can be used as a really good offheal.
Wl/D
I also tested this class as a healer without any healer addon and it worked really good in hoto. Had no problems at all with it, even since I had no exp at all as a healer. I think, the class is really strong and maybe one of the best options for healers in hoto, if you got a druid or priest DPS. I love how we got such a great pool of different classes that work well on specific combinations (especially in hoto).
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Boot Camp anschmeißen und auf Windows zocken
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Wl/Wd: Power of the Wood Spirit(id: 1490952) still needs a target, which is unlike every other warden class.
This would make the class unable to tank anymore (effectively). The wlwd tank pulls from the distance and stays on its mind rune to stack up the damage reduction properly. Making the major aggro aoe source a melee spell, would break the concept of it at all. So I'm against it. However, there is no need to change its functionality imo, since it's a great range aoe.
Better increase the aggo bonus on willpower construct and add some magic damage bonus to the willpower blade additionally. The problem is that adding dark damage results in a mess, since dark damage can be stacked up to >1300%. But still its basic damage is not that good, so magic damage could fix it I guess. As a tank, it has a good burst, but if you got no cooldowns to use, the aggro sucks.
General: Remove the gcd trigger from Beasthowl(id: 498547).
I agree on that. The gcd is very annoying, even as a warlock heal I can't use it for the slow, bcz it proccs gcd, which is unfortunate. And as a tank, i waste a gcd just for triggering a non-aggro aoe.
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Hi there,
I would like to suggest to increase the mana cost for most mage skills. Every other class needs to take care of specific resources, may it be rage, energy, focus, ammo. Even healers can run out of mana, but mage has an almost infinite mana pool and additionally got several buffs/skills to reduce mana cost. But mana cost isn't a thing at all for any mage.
Maybe consider this for the future, it would be a big change, but also bring some more complexity to the class. (complexity isn't the right word, but guess you get the pojnt).
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And here we go again... sorry, but I need to put in my 2 cents on that, bcz it feels bad if I don't do so...
There are some huge misunderstandings in the room, I can't ignore.Aoe should be lowered drastically.
I propose to give aoe up to 300 Then the distance will start crying that the instance is too difficult
Can't disagree more, sorry to say so. I think, the game offers us a great opportunity with hoto: to play (underused) class combinations that have better utility and work better on a cooperative way. I was already sick of the ego-pushing content where only your personal dps mattered as a dps. As an old ESO veteran I need more than just dealing damage as a dps, the game would be too simple without further difficulty. What you two complain about is true on your pov, but objectively viewed, there is a lack of arguments: Mages also stand in melee range in hoto (if not, they don't use their full potential in hoto).
So my rogue with 500k deff is strong enough? But m/k with shield of discipline is too weak?
You don't even need shields to survive the instance. We farmed the trash up to b1 duo without a healer in a few mins per run - you can easily negate ANY damage of mobs, if you play the right classes.
Why are you saying that mages have advantages as ranged dps? Me as a mage, I'm standing right next to our rogues in the trash, in order to interrupt/cc the trash packs with my discharge and hit them with all my aoe and I don't die at all, even as a m/s, m/ch etc. The problem is not the scale of damage or range, but the playstyle of the entire party AND everyone self.
Example:
We discovered that it's better having a priest heal than a druid, bcz priest has the better utility. Druid has a much better heal potential there, but who cares, if the instance is easier with the better setup? Same applies to support and dps classes. You can definitely play any class, but the question is: is it as useful as utility-classes?
If gorge or rofl were difficult instances (what they are not imo), we all would adapt to that and play classes to make life easier... oh wait, we already do! We use specific supporters that are useless in all the other instances, cuz they are useful in the custom ones. So that's the exact same way how to play hoto. You don't NEED to play a utility-class, but it would solve all your problems. But instead, you can just let the tank and heal play specific utility-classes and taddaaa, you will never die anymore (or need to use any non-mainrota skills yourself).
Seriously. Hoto brings out the classes that now lean towards a more defensive playstyle
I wouldn't say "defensive playstyle", it's more like an "utility playstyle". You don't hold back as a dps, but you use more skills overall. DPS doesn't suffer from that, bcz dead players deal no damage at all. As a mage I keep lightning, discharge, silence and all the other utility stuff literally on cooldown, because it's useful to do so. If you have a warrior, a knight and a mage, you can perma-interrupt everything by 100% uptime, just saying, not even mentioning the druid or warlock stuff. I mean, even the priest bubble is useful (again)
Every single AoE can be countered
Well those Medusa Servants use an instant AoE that hits low-def-units out of space indeed. So at this point, ranged classes are definitely more useful than melees. But however, normally they die fast enough not to be harmful, as we know
After all, you wrote yourself that you need to find the right team combination.
You are much better having a well set up team, but you don't need to. Guess that's what he wanted to say
The mage or the scout can go o all dps and choose the strongest combination, and the rogue/warrior/champ must go with something very armored and have dmg less!
Don't mix up class balancing with game design I guess. Also, as a chain user you can play champ, which literally is immortal in hoto, just as warden. As a leather user you can switch to scout, which is also almost immortal there. The mage for itself suffers the most in there actually, but also is one of the strongest classes there, but also the most useful for the party. Not having a mage in party makes a huuuge difference in our runs, bcz ppl actually have to take care of things xD
I wouldn't call it "paying attention" and "paying more attention." While hitting from a distance you only consider the fear of the tank, nothing more. You have to be careful when hitting up close and have your eyes everywhere, it's ridiculous.
I agree, even though tank fear can be prevented quite easily, but nevertheless, I always need to be careful while discharging, but... that's normal I guess? There is no difference to ROFL playing melee in hoto, or in any other instance.
AOE 300
But it is not about forcing people to change class to ranged?
At which point are you forced into ranged classes? It simply makes no difference if you play range or melee in hoto. Even if you increase the range of AoE to 300, so what? Just press the right buttons at the right time and profit.
But still, I get your point with the "fairness" part. If you have the possibility to stand in range, you have an advantage against melee classes. But this is just class design and has nothing to do with instances. But fortunately we play on a server where you can play almost any sort of melee/ranged class with (almost) any gear. Also, that class design is equal in any other instance and already was on the official content. But there we go again, mixing class balancing, class design and instance design is a bad idea.
Conclusion:
So after all, I got the solution for those who complain about too strong AOE: Let the tank turn around mobs, bcz 90% is front aoe and almost everything else is being casted -> can be interrupted. It's easily possible to stand in melee range as a mage or cloth user in general. The entire discussion is just nonsense - as a friend uses to say: As a real endgame player you need to be aware of everything in the instance and react on everything properly. No hard feelings.
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This is not true, the loss of life is denied by the other heal. However, the fact that your character's movement interrupts the casting (as far as I know) is not negated by another heal. So these things cannot be compared.
Ofc it can be compared, that's class design. Scout can shoot while running, Mage can not. Scout looses life, Mage doesn't. You can also compare it with a Warrior: Scout is ranged, Warrior is melee. Scout looses life, Warrior does not. Every class has advantages and disadvantages. If you remove the life cost of Blood Arrow, Scout looses its only penalty, which makes it... broken (in terms of class design, not talking about class balancing).
I don't want to remove the blood arrow mechanic but change it. I want it to be fairer, more logical and more enjoyable.
Me playing scout, blood arrow only triggers phoenix sometimes, that's the only thing that could be fixed, since it doesn't kill the player anyways.
I just want your gameplay as a scout to depend on you and your skills, not the heal and his skills.
Guess you are not dependant of a healer, you can also use potions to refill your life or use the buff more wisely. For the raid/group content, you always have a healer with you, so it doesn't even matter.
But enough of this topic for now, let's see what the Devs decide here I guess
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But I don't understand ... In one moment you say that blood arrow does not matter because any heal can heal it without a problem, and in a moment you say that changing this mechanics will turn the balance upside down. It may be my mistake, but I see a lack of consistency here.
Using the skill ingame doesn't hurt the player if you have a heal in your party.
Changing the skill mechanic will hurt the game, because this is one of the key factors of a scout.
I also don't think this change can be compared with the fact that the mage will be able to cast spells on the run.
Ofc not, it was just an example, as I said.
The point was not about the "mage" example itself, but about the change of core mechanics: Mages are stationary casters and Scouts can run around, but loose life in return. That is default class design. If you remove one of these pillars (the loss of life for example, or the stationary cast), the construct of the class will break down.
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So Runs mit bspw "Gobo" in der ein lvl 100 einen Begleitet und hochzieht, mag ich nicht gern machen. Das habe ich an einem Wochenende gemacht und irgendwie wurde die Lust weniger, weil unbekannte Gebiete quasi sofort uninteressant wurden weil man overpowered war.
Moin, dann würde ich vorschlagen, einfach klassisch zu questen. An sich hat sich da auch nicht viel getan, in manchen Instanzen solltest du vorher nur checken, in welchem Schwierigkeitsgrad du dich befindest - einige wurden überarbeitet und sind nun auf "Schwer" Lv 90+ betretbar. Ansonsten wirst du vmtl keine Gruppen für kleinere Inis, wie Abbey finden. Die breite Masse läuft eher die 104er custom Inis, ab und zu gibt's noch Memo-Runs.
CoA unterscheidet sich von den anderen Servern insb. durch den Custom Content ab Lv 102 (Tikal) und Lv 104 (Kammer der Elemente), daher wirst du in den "alten" Inhalten nicht wirklich was finden und dich beim Questen auch sehr lange sehr alleine fühlen. Immerhin hast du dann ganze Kontinente quasi für dich allein, ist ja auch nicht schlecht
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just nerf little aoe from mage i think 10% is ok or mobs should have more mdeff
Partially agree on that. Since our guild seems to have very different results in balancing testing than most others, I just speak about the problem that Static Field maybe is way too strong these days. Even my Mage/Knight is dealing equal damage with it as with my Stars of Light (which is a stationary casted channel spell that blocks any other actions while executing).
Also I don't see any use in the Electric Consumption that increases dmg of Static Field, bcz it uses a gcd which can also be used for a static field itself. Also, i haven't had any use case where the damage increment had an equal or higher affect in overall damage than not using it at all - those mobs die too fast, so that 1 more static field instead of the wasted gcd would be better.
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Really? Do you enjoy it? The fact that someone does not like something and tries to change it for the better and can justify it? Does it enjoy you? This is probably one of the weakest posts I have read here.
Well, tbh changing the blood arrow isn't that important from my pov. There are much more important things to do first, before thinking about a quality of life change like that. I mean, always you let BA running, you also have a heal at your side. For the content without a healer, you don't need that buff at all. Also, since there is a short CD of 10 seconds, you can use the buff even for a short time without having any fatal penalties.
I also play scout a lot (even played it 3 years ago here and also on official, a lot in pvp as well). Never cared about the mechanic, it's just the game, so take it as it is or don't play it. That's as simple as it is.
The point is, almost all strong buffs in the game have a downside, either high cost, high cooldown or other bad effects. I really don't see any reason to change that mechanic, since it's in the game for so long and as far as i remember, there were nobody complaining about it in those years.
Now, if you wanna change the core mechanics of specific classes, you can surely go for it, but what else do you need in terms of "skill" in that game then? Scouts only need to take care of their blood arrow not proccing their phoenix and that's it (almost). As a ranged dps you have so many benefits and you can walk while casting almost all skills. Would you like having all mages (for example) cast while moving as well? Isn't that also a core mechanic of the game? What would happen, if we change all this and make every class equally played?
So yea, this topic amuses me on a pretty sarcastic way, because changing core mechanics would result in breaking the game. Wouldn't be the first time btw.
"You don't like some mechanics, don't change it, don't try to do anything, don't play it", golden advice, thank you. I hope when I can remind you of her.
Always a pleasure.
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This blood arrow discussion really amuses me
I got a solution for all the scouts complaining about its core-mechanic that is in the game since 2008. My solution is working for 100% and solving all your problems at once. You will never have any further issues with the blood arrow or spend any further nerves on this topic. Don't play scout. -
Maybe remove other wowmap related addons, such as wowmap poi or wowmap instances? Maybe they interfere with the latest wowmap changes now. I think I got an equal error right after the patch and fixed it with that, but not sure.
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I'm not sure about the balancing these days. There are some classes that are really powerful and others that are quite...bad. I think, I gave up comparing our (different) classes in our runs, since pdps always complain about mdps and vice versa
So I keep praying for no kill-nerfs and playing my favorite magical classes Regarding magical dps classes, I'm not sure what to think about balancing. Warlock is still very strong, but mage is kinda equal. S/M is better than any warlock or mage, but I have no clue about ranking the specific classes by dps. If a new mdps player asks me what to play, I always recommend Warlock/Warden, bcz it's the easiest way to deal tons of damage, but need specific "higher" ISS, for everyone else I recommend Scout/Mage, bcz it's the allrounder. Myself I keep playing the most anti-meta classes, bcz they are fun to play and got a lot of utility.
And...
I am saying to add option for leather gear. Maybe create classes like s/m? For two eq (leather+cloth).
I agree. This could be a suitable reason to rework Priest/Scout Dps again and make it another (more balanced) Scout/Mage? As a mdps the class sucks, as a mdps/supp it's also useless (even in 6 player content we got a priest heal), so why not making it a hybrid class too? And a ranged leather class that can rez and such would be awesome, wouldn't it?
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1 full run = 1 orange, 4 purple, 1000+ green
Really? I thought there are only about 250 mobs in there, that actually do drop green mats?! So droprate is a thing in hoto?
Display MoreHello, after a few runs I would like to talk a bit more about hoto.
1) It is necessary to add some amount of coins for EACH!!! boss (not like on DL, only last boss)
2) It is necessary to add cards from ini, preferably attribute cards
3) In my opinion (I have jewelry in t13, rogue), on my class it doesn't make much sense to try to get new jewelry, maybe it's worth thinking about some passive ISS
4) It seems to me that the amount of 1000 green items is not proportional to the rest of the resources
5) In my guild, this instance is not liked because the limit of 6 people, please add a table like on rt, which will enable the mode for 12 people, increase the amount of hp of monsters and increase the drop of green items
6) However, the absolutely most necessary change is the addition of crystals
I agree to points 1, 2, 3 and 6. The rewards need some rework and there should be some kind of quality of life changes, but still, in a well set up party, your wipe ratio will be rlly low... so it's not thaaat important to add a portal I guess.
The amount of greens is ok I guess, but if you really lack that much, go farm the trash before b1, there you get enough for a pull in less than an hour without any drop rate buffs
Tbh I do like the 6 player content and would love to see more of these! We already got enough solo content (you can even literally challenge yourself by soloing DN, tikal, DL, Lv 95+ Instances, etc) we got raid content in the big custom instances, but there was no useful group content, for those who can't fill an entire raid or wanna do parallel runs. Just speaking for myself here, I really like that!
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No pet running and still told you can't cast this spell while in combat
If you don't see pets, this doesn't mean, that there is none
There is an option in your game settings to hide pets. The mentioned scenario is actually how this fluffy game works, ppl need to resummon pets to trigger the end of combat sometimes, because pets can participate in fights, using skills and buffs. It's not always yours, but ppl keep resummoning until the combat ends. Ofc this doesn't always work, if you stand too close to fighting players/mobs, your combat won't end. -
I enjoy the new instance very much. The only thing that bothers me a bit is also the missing Arcadia Coins and some guild mates complaining about the "bad" item sets, too. So I would suggest, put 5% Movementspeed on any set and another additional 1% damage. Then the sets would be useful for any class for sure.
Imo the loot distribution is fine as it is - you can farm the trash mobs before b1 if you lack in greens.
I also agree to the portal issue, but would also not like using ostrich in there, because of reason that MidanLauert mentioned above. Also, the idea about movement speed on any set would be useless if you enable usage of a 120% speed buff lol. Maybe the portal could be a shortcut after b3, so you skip half the instance, but still need to pass the green bugs.
Edit: We're already clearing the instance within 30-40 min, so imagine using ostrich speed additionally
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Is it happening only after the latest patch, or you faced it before?
How you are entering guild castle?
What's previous zone you were in?
Are you able to reproduce it?
Happened only since last patch (for me).
Ported inside via itemshop transport stone 30d (208786).
Ported from Weeping Coast into the Castle.
I ported from under water into the castle. I was able to reproduce it. Recorded it:
So I guess, the bug lies under water
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Hi there,
me and some others got the issue that we die sometimes once we enter the guild castle. Please fix that.
Kind regards
Zyrex
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I didn't know where to put this msg, please move if it is necessary.
I was checking new Ocean's set in charplan and Im really disappointed. Tank pieces are still only for physical tanks even tho since balance (almost a year ago) we have magical tanks. New custom ini (replacing rofl in some months) will also not have magical tank sets? Please reconsider this direction, items should be adapted to the game in 2021 and not to the classes we had 10 years ago.
Regards.
It has All attributes bonus and dmg reduction, right? It's just about the crit damage I guess, but for me that doesn't really matter. Already got my original physical tank jewelry set on my warlock tank, so the ocean set will fit in, too. But yea, maybe one could consider adding both magical and physical critical damage on those rings.
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Wenn ich 100 Auktionen einstell, und nach meinen eigenen eingestellten Auktionen suche, sind vielleicht nur 20 drin. Und das über Tage. Die Problemkategorien sind Manasteine und Monsterkarten
Ich hab dabei eigentlich nie Probleme, nutzt du denn die Filter im AH? Damit kannst du deine Suche ziemlich genau eingrenzen, sodass du nur das bekommst, was du auch haben willst. Ich meine, klar, wenn ich ohne Filter nach Karten suche, bekomm ich "alle" angezeigt, bzw bis zum Limit des Auktionshauses
I don't have any problems like these, do you use filters in the auction house? You can locate your search results pretty much, then you only get the exact items, you're looking for. I mean, sure, if I search for any monster cards, I will get "all" of them, or respectively results up to the maximum amount that is being displayed
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If you ask and won't force, it won't work, but surely you can try.
The game offer a function to create a public channel for free and invite players to it.
If someone wants to, you can shout out about on world chat.
Well, that private channel thing never worked imho. Either the channel disappeared after reloading ui or nobody used it. But as a default chat channel, I think, players would use it. I mean, I saw this in several other MMO's and it worked quite well overall, but everyone needs access to that. So a private channel wouldn't work.
