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I announce the Rogue Season on: Rogue / Warrior
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Sorry for the mocking tone, but I'm a bit disappointed with how quickly we moved from the idea of nerfing to the idea of boosting
Am I miss something? The main damage skill of rogue/warrior is nerfed by more than 50% (the damage of time). It was always on #1 in my scruti
Display MoreI've noticed that there's a big difference between end- and midgame players when it comes to the satisfaction of ROFL, whereas the Midgame-Players feel like it's just not worth it to play the classes they want simply because they're being incredibly outshined by other players while the endgame players often despise ROFL for it's monotony and ease of play once you figure out how to do it.
Therefore I propose this:
-> Turn the current normal mode into easy mode; reduce the amount of core shards needed to 1-> Turn the current hard mode to normal mode and revert some of the buffs to bosses and mobs (Especially nerf the mobs aoe! :D)
-> Finally implement those changes into the new hard mode and buff the bosses again, but also beef up the rewards (e.g. 2 cores, 10k coins, "petrified" pain/knowledge/protection-fragments at endboss, like Gorge and Inferno have?)This way the very endgame players have a reason to keep pushing themselves while giving the midgame players a chance to catch up without being literally leeched through. It would also give more levers in terms of balancing.
ROFL has put many players in a corner, as Gorge is often more difficult (event wise) than the higher instance and Inferno doesn't bring enough income to properly breach someone into the endgame.
Have a blessed day,
Midan
even though I think there won't be such changes for rofl, you should also buff the endboss. It is a joke that you don't need a tank for it, because you can kite the boss. The movement speed should be increased significantly, that it will always be faster than players with boots (~600%)
Furthermore in relation to a new hardmode, the events of the last boss are too random. You can have 0 add phases in 5 minutes fight or 20. To random to be a good hardmode boss that challenge the party. A good change would be only add phases at fix hp of boss like every 5% or 10% like it is at targonharl worldboss. That would be a challenge if you always need to do 19 add phases (every 5%)
You have xbow? If yes (i think you have as scout/wl), it is 2 sec. That was one of the first changes for scouts months ago
Arcane Transmutor Charges in Happy hour would be great 
Display MoreBut pls don't let D/M overperform with all those skills. I tested on dummies. Selfbuffed as D/R Earth Arrow deals 6,1kk + 9,6kk damage (earth + dark damage). Poisonous Widow Embrace deals 13,3kk + 10*1,3kk (all hits critical).
As D/M my Earth Arrow dealt 6,6kk + 13,2kk (Fire and Earth damage). Sure D/R does more damage, because I tested both with same weapon (2h staff). But I think the AOE of D/M is already stronger than from D/R. If D/M gets a buff, don't overdo it pls *g*. Your elemental damage buffs on D/M are permanently active while of D/R 1 skill is only 50% uptime
Kind regards
Sorry but you are comparing wrong things.
1. You can't compare with staff, d/r will have way more mdmg than d/m using wand + hammer.
2. You can't compare earth arrows since that isn't the skill those classes spam. d/r use energy skill in most of the cases and d/m earth arrow (4s every 6s will be spammable for d/m so pretty similar to druid/rogue skill)
Retried dmg so you can see:
d/r: ub 35kk, with with dark buff 52kk
d/m: ub 22kk, with its 30s buff (but 90s cd instead of 60s) 26kk.
As you see d/r is 60% higher single dmg ub and half of the time is literally x2 dmg. Yes I agree aoes will probably be higher but with 0 mattack atm and waaaaaaaaay lower single, this isn't viable unless they change more things.
Regards, Madoxx.
as I said, I tested this way to see/show the base damage the classes do. If you remove all heal/support capability of D/M ok, then you can buff the class significantly. I am looking at the overall package of the class. Sure I know D/M as mdps isnt strong as pure mdps
Display MoreMage/Knight
- Changed Light Charge to Illumination; Creates an aura within designated area which inflicts 3600 + 0.3 x INT light damage to enemies within 60 radius with 10% damage decrement for each extra target, every second for 5 seconds.
I think that is a really good idea and will push overaldmg like normal thunderstorm did for all mages, well done.
Druid/Mage
- Changed Inspiration to reduce casting time of all skills for 4 seconds instead of next skill, increased trigger chance to 100% from 72%.
Is an interesting change and I really like it. Different mechanic than other 2 druids and that is good.
The class is half way and need a deep rework. It has elites to be dps, others to be support and also to be healer.
Heal:
Support:
And useless one:
I really think they should be adapted aswell. In those changes class need a magical attack passive source (right now it has 0) and some single dmg buff. I compared with d/r and while that does a 45kk hit, d/m do 25kk. Im not saying it should be that high but also not that low.
You started with this class, please im begging you, don't make us wait another month to change next skill.
Beside this, just wanted to say is nice when our suggestions get heard, thank you.
Regards, Madoxx.
But pls don't let D/M overperform with all those skills. I tested on dummies. Selfbuffed as D/R Earth Arrow deals 6,1kk + 9,6kk damage (earth + dark damage). Poisonous Widow Embrace deals 13,3kk + 10*1,3kk (all hits critical).
As D/M my Earth Arrow dealt 6,6kk + 13,2kk (Fire and Earth damage). Sure D/R does more damage, because I tested both with same weapon (2h staff). But I think the AOE of D/M is already stronger than from D/R. If D/M gets a buff, don't overdo it pls *g*. Your elemental damage buffs on D/M are permanently active while of D/R 1 skill is only 50% uptime
Kind regards
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Mage
- Reduced Elemental Knowledge damage gain to 72% from 82%
of course I agree that the mage is a bit too much beating class, but weakening him by as much as 10% is too strong in relation to other class nerf.
I propose to reduce Elemental Knowledge damage gain to 74 - 75%
Greetings
in relation to the nerf of which class? Rogues get a nerf in dagger passive which will decrease their damage by ~10%
Champions get nerfed by ~12%
(In relation to the damage formula of pdps. Get in mind that nerfing a passive like hammer by 8% results in a damage loss more than 8% . It is different than mdps)
I like the upcoming changes! Damage overall was generally too strong for raids
1. This class is balanced with the above changes in values according to calculation equal to knight classes and in my opinion much better balanced than before. I would like to see a small change in the Skill "Holy Roar", namely that an aggro multiplier is added as in the whirlwind shield.
Good Ideas!
Just one suggestion of me. Holy Roar should get a maximum of 500% aggro multiplier. 1000% as whirlwind shield would be to much, because still have a bonus damage passively as a champ.
Furthermore, Shield of Discipline should be increased for this class to 35-40% in my eyes.
Kind regards
Display MoreDisplay Morebecause the w/p has more supp than only damage migitation. And the damage migitation overrides the k/m debuff. Furthermore the debuff of w/p applies on immune mobs. All in all stronger.
Healing the whole raid with more than 200k in a dps gear is kinda too strong. I don't Know how much it is, but I guess on an endgame CH/d it heals more than 500k
In my opinion delete Knight/m damage migitation debuff. But delete shield form too. It is OK for me.
Classes should have their role. And If they can fit more than 1 role, they should need more than 1 gear. All other is just game destroying and ridiculous
As I said in previous. Add plate gear to shield form and disable ability wearing chain while active. Best solution. After it, some shield form values can be adjusted, if needed
Yes, W/P has support, but K/M is a tank, as I said. I fail to see your point here.
Sure classes should have their role, hence my suggestion with changing Shield Form. I heavily disagree on making Champion tanks plate wearers though. There are already enough classes that can/should wear plate. I can't play general Rogue or Scout with my chain gear, althought they fill the same role (dps).
Since you seem to have some problem with Champion in general this will be my last post. All the arguments have been presented and it is now up to the devs to decide.
You didn't get the point. Like Madox said, Shield Form was never fair.
1 separate gear for 1 role, like all other must do, would be fair. That is, what I said. In which direction a solution WOULD be implemented (plate gear for shield form or any other solution, that you cannot tank anymore in dps gear), we will see. But stop lay words in my mouth, which I never wrote/said. In the whole discussion I was always against the multi role with 1 gear. It has nothing to do with Champ in general. Champ is sadly the one and only class which is able to do this
Kind regards
Display MoreDisplay Moreshield of discipline was hardly nerfed some patches ago, where the damage migitation calculation was changed.
Secondly why ppl maybe claim so much about Champions is: you can effectively tank, do dps and heal as a champ in chain dps gear. Something that no other classes can. A raid of 12 champions is same effective running an instance like any other group. For fairness every class should get a skill like shield form and reaching full tank values in their dps gear or none class should have it. Actually there is no need atm doing other gear than chain. The joke was the healing ability of Champ/druid. Just saying but a leather gear rogue/priest or rogue/druid heals nothing while champ/druid is a good healer in dps gear.
It's all about fairness, balancing and class roles. Nobody can deny, that champions can do all jobs in a group effectively with 1 gear
Kind regards
If SoD was only hardly nerfed, doesn't that mean it's still too strong ?
Regarding the rest of your post, agreed, Champion can tank effectively with dps gear, which should be adressed. Ch/D however is not on par with a real healer, so I have to disagree on that point.
I suggest reducing the conversion rate of Shield Form to 20%, just like Disassembly Mode. This way Ch-tanks would have to build into their role and not just use dps gear. However, Rune Growth and Rune Craft - Fortify should be reverted to their former state.
This doesn't justify claiming that Knight is a worse tank than Champ though, which both you and Zyrex did repeatedly. There is a reason why the majority of tanks play Knight.
Lastly, in the context of fairness, how is it fair that a fully-fledged tank (k/m) has access to a stronger damage reduction debuff than a class whose sole purpose is supporting (w/p) ?
because the w/p has more supp than only damage migitation. And the damage migitation overrides the k/m debuff. Furthermore the debuff of w/p applies on immune mobs. All in all stronger.
Healing the whole raid with more than 200k in a dps gear is kinda too strong. I don't Know how much it is, but I guess on an endgame CH/d it heals more than 500k
In my opinion delete Knight/m damage migitation debuff. But delete shield form too. It is OK for me.
Classes should have their role. And If they can fit more than 1 role, they should need more than 1 gear. All other is just game destroying and ridiculous
As I said in previous. Add plate gear to shield form and disable ability wearing chain while active. Best solution. After it, some shield form values can be adjusted, if needed
... And don't even get me started on Shield of Discipline, a skill that never should have been implemented in the first way, because it offers way too much mitigation with 50% uptime. ....
... Hence I don't get why some people claim Champion is vastly superior in terms of tanking and Knight far worse (even read useless once or twice)...
shield of discipline was hardly nerfed some patches ago, where the damage migitation calculation was changed.
Secondly why ppl maybe claim so much about Champions is: you can effectively tank, do dps and heal as a champ in chain dps gear. Something that no other classes can. A raid of 12 champions is same effective running an instance like any other group. For fairness every class should get a skill like shield form and reaching full tank values in their dps gear or none class should have it. Actually there is no need atm doing other gear than chain. The joke was the healing ability of Champ/druid. Just saying but a leather gear rogue/priest or rogue/druid heals nothing while champ/druid is a good healer in dps gear.
It's all about fairness, balancing and class roles. Nobody can deny, that champions can do all jobs in a group effectively with 1 gear
Kind regards
Edit: I don't get the problem, why it would be a problem, if shield form can only be used with plate gear and disables ability to wear chain while active
(if you ask me, I would entirely remove shield form from game and make it only available for champ/knight, but fortunately I don't do balancing here :D)
I thought this would never happen, but I agree more than 100% with you. But even for champ/knight it needs to be kinda nerfed, because I have in leather gear 4kk p-def as champ/knight... without any short time buffs....
Display Moreuhhmmm.... Scout and AOE? You mean Piercing Arrow and Reflected Shot? Because Hurricane Downpour has 1 min cd. D/R has an AOE which can be used permanently and can hit all targets (no limit). Scouts Reflected Shot is strongly limited to few mobs and Piercing Arrow.... pls don't call this as an AOE if you did. Piercing Arrow cannot really hit many targets because of the crap area/stone/flower in the way. I guess the most amount of mobs I had hit with Piercing Arrow was 9 or 10 at B2 after all mobs were pulled to the tank on the same place. In trash it often hits only 1 target, even if 20 mobs there (mantis after b2 for example).
Now im out. I said my opinion
im talking about s/ch, s/r, s/m, s/wd, i didn't play other scouts frequently, and yes, i still believe these classes have somewhat aoe sustain and burst.
aoe damage of d/r was really low compared to other skills of the class in overall in my runs, i don't know how it makes it "good" just by being able to spam it, idk, people often do such mistakes, i mean using aoe skill when there are 3-4 mobs by thinking it would be better because its a "crowd", but in reality single target skill is dealing more damage for certain classes as i mentioned on previous message, yet im not sure about d/r.
but to be honest its been a few weeks since i didn't run, maybe things changed
Yes, I didnt said I use the aoe on small amount of mobs, but on 8 or more 
Anyway, more main mdps player can give maybe better feedback, because I don't play mdps so often. Wrong thread for it btw too.
Sorry for offtopic
i don't think d/r has aoes the scout has
uhhmmm.... Scout and AOE? You mean Piercing Arrow and Reflected Shot? Because Hurricane Downpour has 1 min cd. D/R has an AOE which can be used permanently and can hit all targets (no limit). Scouts Reflected Shot is strongly limited to few mobs and Piercing Arrow.... pls don't call this as an AOE if you did. Piercing Arrow cannot really hit many targets because of the crap area/stone/flower in the way. I guess the most amount of mobs I had hit with Piercing Arrow was 9 or 10 at B2 after all mobs were pulled to the tank on the same place. In trash it often hits only 1 target, even if 20 mobs there (mantis after b2 for example).
Now im out. I said my opinion
Edit: Scout have more full buffed AOE damage yes, but D/R has higher permanent AOE damage (if mobs living longer than 2 seconds)
...Nowadays it's the druid/rogue and warlock/scout which are most overpovered (imo)
i believe druid/rogue looks op because it is very easy class to play and there is lesser diversity among the players unlike many other dps classes that 80% of community cries that they are too weak and 20% which knows how to play it thinks they are fine compared to other classes
...cheers
I believe, that druid/rogue IS op in some way. this class has full burst (except siege war title) every 90 seconds and I do nearly same damage with my mage gear which is far behind my leather gear, like my scout or rogue classes. The main reason of this class is the CD of selfbuffs for maximum damage. You don't need any other cast speed buffs. Classes like Scouts have Arrow of Essence, which has 5 minutes CD and increase the damage really really strong (strongest buff in game?). So you are doing every 5 minutes your maximum damage, which is really extremly higher than the damage you can do every 90 seconds with a scout.
For me: This is nothing with "fine class for some players".
Kind regards
WdW
I played the Warden/Warrior these days in rofl, it's a pretty funny class to tank with, but lacks a bit in HP and Def compared to other tanks. Even a chain dps Champion is Shield form has higher values than the Warden with tank plate, which is kinda strange. So I collected some suggestions that could make the class more useful and viable to play.
- Change Resilience of Life494354 should additionally increase physical defense by 30% to give the class more def than dps champs...
- The Lv 50 eilte Coat of Arms494611 is a bit useless in my eyes. It could buff the entire party or raid instead of only one target and the caster.
- Also the Lv 60 eilte Elf Blessing499902 could reduce the cooldown of Elven Guidance499903 by 30 seconds additionally. My mana consume was a bit too high, even while using a wisdom transformation potion and additional support. So the skill was always having about 20 seconds left, when I wanted to use it again.
- Feral Leader499900 should increase the damage of party members by 5% instead of reducing the aggro, which is pretty useless, bcz everyone is already at the 10% aggro cap.
Good points, but why "Even a chain dps Champion is Shield form has higher values than the Warden with tank plate". Champs in shield form have higher values than any plate tank with same gear?
And not every class is on 10% aggro cap. There are some classes like Scout/Warlock and Mage/Rogue which has extra +aggro selfbuffs. And again a 5% dmg buff for the group isn't really needed if you compare the outgoing damage now with that 1 year ago. 5-10% incoming damage reduce instead of aggro reduce would be better in my eyes for the Feral Leader.
Kind regards
Regarding rogue/Champ
The Power mechanism lasts 30 seconds with a CD of 30 seconds. This mechanism is kinda useless to use in trash / move phases. Can you please change the Power mechanism that this would follow the caster or will be an aura of the caster like the change of warrior/warlock you did a few weeks ago.
Therefore you could reduce the buff for raidmembers to 2-3% from 5%
Kind regards
(...) Actually there is no need anymore to play Knight imho. .
(...)
Maybe knights should support the survivability much more? Maybe with more/better crowd control or damage reduction (for trash phases) since this isn't additively calculated anymore? Just like for example Knight/Mage (dmg reduction on AoE), Knight/Druid (shields and heal) and somehow also Knight/Champ (with its stuns) already do.
One problem or bug at the moment is, that the dmg debuff of warrior/priest overrides the dmg debuff of Knight/Mage. And the debuff of Knight/mage is stronger!!! Please fix
Another point is, like you said all is burned in seconds or maybe less than seconds in trash. More CC or DMG reduction of Knights wouldn't help in my opinion. 3 mages dps can also perma stun everything.
If you see for example the damage of a shield form champ/mage in big trash pulls, you can only cry as a knight tank, because the champ tank is a full dps in such a situation.
For me it is still fail that a full dps geared class can simultanously be a full tank. No other class has this ability. Please change it or implement the same ability for all other classes. I want to have ~2kk HP and 5-10kk def as rogue or scout or mage in full dps gear too
Kind regards
Display MoreDisplay MoreHi,
I noticed that somehing was changed with calculating damage reduce skills for example magical damage reduce of the knight. (and I didnt found in patch notes)
I know a few weeks ago, that you were magical immune as a Knight if you had the new ISS (30%) + Shield of Discipline (68,8%) + Fire Ward (11,4%) because it was added in the formula (30 + 68 + 11).
Today I noticed that something changed, that all buffs were multiplied which means, you cannot be magical immune as a Knight anymore (ok, that is something good in some way) but this results more and more in a way, that knights will be more and more useless. Less aggro than champion in dps gear, less def/hp than champions in dps gear and now less damage reduce with Shield of Discipline which results in a way that even this main tanky skill of the class is less effective.
Actually there is no need anymore to play Knight imho. If you want to wear plate gear (why ever you want), play champ/knight -> more aggro/def/hp/utility and nearly same damage reduce (base damage will be even smaller on champ/knight)
Kind regards
I noticed aswell as wl/k. Maybe is this:
- Changed physical and magical absorb attributes to do not stack by summing.
Hmm could be. Makes some classes a bit weak imho. Didnt thought about it because I thought "Absorb" is different than dmg reduce skills
Hi,
I noticed that somehing was changed with calculating damage reduce skills for example magical damage reduce of the knight. (and I didnt found in patch notes)
I know a few weeks ago, that you were magical immune as a Knight if you had the new ISS (30%) + Shield of Discipline (68,8%) + Fire Ward (11,4%) because it was added in the formula (30 + 68 + 11).
Today I noticed that something changed, that all buffs were multiplied which means, you cannot be magical immune as a Knight anymore (ok, that is something good in some way) but this results more and more in a way, that knights will be more and more useless. Less aggro than champion in dps gear, less def/hp than champions in dps gear and now less damage reduce with Shield of Discipline which results in a way that even this main tanky skill of the class is less effective.
Actually there is no need anymore to play Knight imho. If you want to wear plate gear (why ever you want), play champ/knight -> more aggro/def/hp/utility and nearly same damage reduce (base damage will be even smaller on champ/knight)
Kind regards
all 15 were killed
Display MoreThanks for the info, that's good to know. I rlly like that behavior and the mechanics. However, the same or an equal mechanic would be cool for Sandstorm in AoE dmg. At the moment it happens, that you loose all your NP with Sandstorm and can't use your Widow spamable effectively on single targets afterwards to finish surviving mobs. In our runs, the surviving mobs died too fast, not being able to hit with Earth Arrow.
I don't say it needs to be a burst class, it's good how it is atm, but only use case for dwarven ale would be sustained trash dps, which is very bad compared to other classes due to sandstorm is using all your NP at once.
This class design isn't made to perma use sandstorm, is pure single dmg class (yes you can use sandstorm in burst but having really low earth dmg make it worst mdps aoe class). Right now is true, I think in overall dmg is underperforming compared to most mdps and is because they all have aoe so as single dmg class is really hard to scale up. New hammer might help but yes, something is missing.
Ale won't change anything, aoe require 5 NP and single dmg skill 10 so... xDD get 1 psi per second won't help
btw, I think dwl is even worse.
You think overall the class is underperforming? :O
I did not test mage for a long time, but what I did with druid/rogue with my gear was good. It could depend on fast/slow pace and the rhythm how the tank pulls If we have different experience. Maybe I need to test mage again.
Display MoreD/R (w/ new hammer)
I tested the Druid/Rogue these days with the new magical dmg hammer. I found some points to mention.
Poisonous Widow Embrace
- skill needs 10 energy, not 30 as displayed
- the 10% bonus damage is buggy: the break even point is 3 stacks of Nature's Power, means you need at least 3 Stacks so that this skill is better than Earch Arrow. But with 3 stacks, the skill hits with 10 bonus hits like with 10 stacks.
- The Nature's Power is also not removed in general, but only if you don't crit with the spell.
However, the skill is pretty good how it is atm. So even if it's buggy, it should be officially changed into the current behavior. The class is pretty strong in some specific raid setups, but unfortunately feels a bit weaker than any other magical dps class, except S/Wl. I would say, it's equal to SWl. Lesser Burst, better sustain dmg, but good AoE.
So I would say, even Poisonous Widow Embrace is quite good atm. If the skill would work as displayed (30 energy cost, remove all NP by using) it would be unplayable and deal literally no damage.
Another good thing would be to add the same mechanic to Sandstorm: That Nature's Power is only removed, if the skill does not crit. The concept of the class is pretty cool: You have a great dmg potential but loose a lot if you don't crit. However, you have a lot of crit-support/buffs/debuffs, so you need a good management of time to max out your crit potential.
Another suggestion I agree on, is the Dwarven Beer to add additional NP, which would make all druid dps classes much more playable, since they are definitely the weakest magical classes (right next to SWl).
Hi,
in my tests Poisonous Widow Embrace needs 30 energy. But every additional hit with NP will give you some energy back.
Furthermore I don't think the class needs NP with dwarven Ale. Wach Druid have their own skill which reduce the NP cost of all skills to 0 . It is like a class specific dwarven ale.
The Druid/rogue cannot be a burst class, because you have not such selfbuffs like rogue or scout. But the sustained damage is strong
Edit: to slow on phone writing xd
Display MoreWe all know the Rogue/Scout is way too strong.
But I think this nerf would destroy the class :
- Reduced Joint Blow damage to 960% from 1125%.
- Increased Wraith Attack damage loss for each extra target to 9% from 6%.
- Reduce Substitute Shot damage to 120% from 400%
It's way too much at once.
I can aggree to these changes :
- Reduced Joint Blow damage to 960% from 1125%.
- Increased Wraith Attack damage loss for each extra target to 9% from 6%.
BUT :
Reduce Substitute Shot damage to 120% from 400%.
Is too much, I think it would be better : Reduce Substitute Shot damage to 250 - 300% from 400%.
Greetings!
You forgot to mention (if these changes were still there. I looked at 6 CET) that you get ~15% more damage from blood arrow for all skills and substitute can be permanent up. Overall not a hard nerf. We will see if it is a nerf. Shadow stab, Low Blow and wound attack will also profit of blood arrow increase
