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Champion/Scout

• Increased Hide and Seek cooldown time to 3 minutes from 2.
• Increased Pulsing Shot cooldown to 15 seconds from 10.
• Changed Bloody Armor to reduce HP loss per second of Blood Arrow to 2%.

Honestly, I simply have no sympathy for such changes. Are we actually playing the lottery or are we trying to suggest objective and possible changes for different classes with feedback as best we can. Where is all this going to lead?

I must agree on this. The class is doing pretty okay now but it's still hella uncomfortable to play. The blood-arrow buff is a good step to not make the class feel wonky, but the increases in cooldown... eh? I don't get them, honestly. The class isn't overperforming that much to justify such a nerf.

Have a blessed day,
Midan

Honestly, you didn't saw the comparison (single target, AOE, burst, sustain) yesterday we did. It overperforms a bit. Maybe the upcoming change is a bit to hard and the Hide and Seek change should be cancelled first. But overall any change is needed for ch/s. The class has right now even more single target burst than a scout with same gear and prerequisites

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Ah and don't forget Arrow of Essence is nerfed. So in Situations were you split buffs for maximum damage over longer time (trash), it is even a nerf while Arrow of Essence is active and you are not on attack speed cap

I for one would prefer to wait and see how the buffs play out, before more are added. This applies to all classes that are going to be buffed ofc (Ch/Wl too).

Yes you are right. We should test first.

But Scout/Champ suffers from the change. If it wasn't planned to nerf it, it should get a damage boost too or have the old Arrow of Essence

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Like every mage can debuff mdef, every champ can give group Attack speed/ cast speed + crit. Every warlock can give whole raid patk/matk buffs and strong shields for group. I don't care on exploiting shot in this case, because even with it I was behind and mages don't benefit from this skill

Fair enough.

If support does not matter in the equation anymore though, I suggest increasing Ch/Wl's Endless Pulse attackspeed increment further, since at least 5% were missing to catch up to the two Rogues (and even more regarding the Mage).

Ah and don't forget Arrow of Essence is nerfed. So in Situations were you split buffs for maximum damage over longer time (trash), it is even a nerf while Arrow of Essence is active and you are not on attack speed cap

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• Increased Ranged Weapon Mastery bow and crossbow damage gain to 51.8% from 38%.

10% damage increase. I like. But If mages will be strong as yesterday, I miss 2-5% to equal it out, because my weapon alone was ~8% stronger than the mage weapon +3% damage potion etc. and I was still behind 😂. We'll how it is after patch, but I guess some mini push is needed against mage/scout for example (If he didnt get a nerf 😅)

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Don't forget the support Scout/Rogue offers with Exploiting Shot.

Like every mage can debuff mdef, every champ can give group Attack speed/ cast speed + crit. Every warlock can give whole raid patk/matk buffs and strong shields for group. I don't care on exploiting shot in this case, because even with it I was behind and mages don't benefit from this skill

• Increased Ranged Weapon Mastery bow and crossbow damage gain to 51.8% from 38%.

10% damage increase. I like. But If mages will be strong as yesterday, I miss 2-5% to equal it out, because my weapon alone was ~8% stronger than the mage weapon +3% damage potion etc. and I was still behind 😂. We'll how it is after patch, but I guess some mini push is needed against mage/scout for example (If he didnt get a nerf 😅)

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Why should anyone play scout?

For nostalgia reasons or because you just like the Class .If you want to do dmg , there are far better options for every scenario.

Yes, many classes are played because you like it. Me: Scout/rogue

But also!!! some classes were NOT played because the player don't like the playstyle, not because the class is weak. As a scout, the scout/champ is not weak (for a scout), but I would not play this class, because it is melee ranged scout. Even if it would be buffed by 50%

Hi,

after the latest changes in the planned patch notes, I was at first totally angry and disappointed. It didn't changed till now

Why?

No leather changes? (pushes)

In fact:

I tested today, because I read the patch notes, my best Scout (Scout/Rogue) against a Champ/Scout, Mage/Druid and Mage/Scout. Warlock/Mage, Champ/Druid and Scout/priest.

Overall in RoFL the champ/scout, mage/druid and mage/scout beat my Scout/Rogue.

Addtional details: I have by far the best gear of all the classes. T18 weapon, T13/T14 gear + full XIII Runes.

Champ/scout and Mage/Druid have T16 weapons, T11/T12 gear + XII Runes. Mage/scout has T15 weapon, not completed T13 gear (but nearly) and not complete XII-Runes (but nearly).

Because Scouts have a bit more single target burst than champs or mages, I was on top at Balton and did ~50kk more damage than rank 2 dps at this boss.

Furthermore in comparing with Champ/scout I have the 4%+8% pets (he have 3% + 6%), I have the 1% dmg-card AND a potion which increase my damage by 3%.

In comparing with MAge/druid I have the potion which increase my damage by 3%

In comparing with the Mage/scout, I have nothing additional.

Besides. The Result is constant always the same. Scouts isn't "strong" in any situation or in other words: For every situation there are far better classes.

Summarize: Is this fair for me as a scout? No. That's why I hate playing scout nowadays. With such gear differences and buff differences, the scout is overall ~15% or even more weaker than mages (in this case mage/druid and mage/scout) or the champ/scout.

The other scout classes are even weaker overall, because Scout/Rogue is good on trash. But on bosses I got the vampire arrows of 2 other classes on the boss (stronger than Snipe in this case) and couldn't beat them anyway...

Rogues can even burst better than scouts. Rogues can even do more damage in AOE (burst AND sustain). Why should anyone play scout?

As a Scout you totally rely on your Arrow of Essence and Blood Arrow. Blood Arrow is perma active, yes but has in some situations the bad effect of HP drain. But Arrow of Essence is a buff with 5 minutes CD. without this buff active, you cannot hold the ground against other classes.

Edit: https://gyazo.com/82cb460ca784091bf8e9ec2abdca1838

Laisha was even dead on multiple phases and switched class on some point and misses a bit trash...

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The best for Rogue, after buffing, is 4 x dex and 2x str stats, assuming you put the highest stats.

But if you want to play a scout, the best stat there is 3 x 3.

You have to think for yourself and decide what will be best for you

But if you have a Warrior in group, it is only 6 p-atk difference for each item (if I didn't missed a buff). and you have a little bit lower stamina (-> HP). Same theory which is better like runes Tyrant / Revolution

6-patk + multiplier of priest buff, house buff, guild buff and so on. should be ~12-18 patk (didnt calculated)

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Holy Light Domain is by far the best utility/support skill a tank has access to these days.

Remember, not all groups run with a Warrior/Priest.

Well.. if one of the best supporter classes for rofl is overwriting the major support utility a tank class has, it's reasonable that ppl keep playing it, because in random runs you usually don't have access to a w/p, but it's not a good class in general. In our guild runs with an optimized raid setup, a K/M is just useless, as said. If the debuff is changed to overwrite W/P or even stack, sure, K/M would be very useful. But that's just one single class. Thinking about all the other knight combos, I stay at my statement.

If I don't look at aggro, following knights are good in my eyes:

K/m : good damage migitation

K/D: good group support with patk/matk and multiple shields for raid

K/p: group damage buff + def buff for raid + damage migitation buff for group

K/w: best support if you want to burst a boss

K/s: damage buff for group + damage migitation for mob groups

K/CH: crowd control + mini single target support

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So in my eyes, it's not at all necessary to play a knight if you want to tank these days. It's way more useful for the raid to have either a warden, a warrior, a champ or even a warlock tank. Knight needs much more support, more utility and more aggro, especially in AoE, which is much worse than any other tank out there. If a dps has forgotten to remove its hatred rune, a warden can still hold aggro against it, but a knight has lesser chance. I mean, it's still possible, but not with such a low effort. If nothing changes for knights, I will probably keep playing warden and warlock tank, which are much more useful in our runs, but is kinda unfortunate, because I really like the knight class. UwU

Sure, that's why everybody is tanking as Knight/Mage these days.

Holy Light Domain is by far the best utility/support skill a tank has access to these days.

Remember, not all groups run with a Warrior/Priest.

Exactly. I choose always Knight/m If no w/p is in group, regardless of low trash aggro. Mages and warriors have enough crowd control for my tankstyle^^

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Some thoughts about the Knight class these days...

I was playing the warden and warlock tank these days, sometimes even warrior. So now I went back to Knight once again, in order to compare the K/X classes to the others. I have no idea what happened over the last patches, but I had really huge issues to hold aggro in trash phases against mage classes. In the past that was working much better - maybe it's because I'm not that much into knight these days than before, but it felt like not that fluent as I remembered from 2-3 months ago.

Also if it comes to support of the raid, I personally don't feel the knight anymore. Utility like Crowd Control is much more important and only Knight/Champ can handle that on an equal way. K/M is entirely useless, since W/P overwrites its debuff. Most other tanks are either selfish (which makes them also useless in my eyes, bcz tanking basically is just easy) or are worse than other classes. Before you take a Knight/Scout with you, you can rely on a Champ/Priest, which is way more useful for kind of the same utility.

In terms of damage sustain, the class in general needs to work more for the same damage mitigation, compared to warden tanks. Warden just summons an immortal pet that makes him parry every hit received. Resulting in the missing necessity of a lot of def, like champ or knight needs, since you can't parry 100% of your input. With only 2.5-3kk pdef you're good to go as a warden. Also damage mitigation of knights is quite worse since the adaption patch of mitigation formular.

So in my eyes, it's not at all necessary to play a knight if you want to tank these days. It's way more useful for the raid to have either a warden, a warrior, a champ or even a warlock tank. Knight needs much more support, more utility and more aggro, especially in AoE, which is much worse than any other tank out there. If a dps has forgotten to remove its hatred rune, a warden can still hold aggro against it, but a knight has lesser chance. I mean, it's still possible, but not with such a low effort. If nothing changes for knights, I will probably keep playing warden and warlock tank, which are much more useful in our runs, but is kinda unfortunate, because I really like the knight class. UwU

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the w/p debuff should be changed into 2 separate debuffs on target. 1 for dmg reduction and 1 that you need for your slash of this class. The first debuff could be overwritten by K/M debuff, so it would not useless to play k/m If w/p is in group

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I think its quiet sad that you only see ch/m as only champ dps class. I think only buffing /wl isnt enough, but instead buff /warrior, /scout and /rogue aswell, so champion can exist in the game as fully dps class again. But PLEASE plan ahead what youre aiming for on each classcombo. One class more aoe focused, while the other one might be more singletarget focused.

Its sad to see that the main reason why a champ is in the party is the /druid for its support (dont know about /knight as tank). Would love to see more champ dps instead of just a single one for a whole class.

The main problem is that the overwhelming majority only plays the best class combination available to them. One combination will always stick out and thus will be played.

Sadly many nerfs where directed to Champion in general, instead of nerfing the combinations specifically that were overperforming, which left certain secondary classes in a bad shape.

Moreover, Ch/W and Ch/P are two underwhelming combinations that just don't see play. Ch/W is a bad tank who nobody in his right mind would choose over Ch/K. Same with Ch/P, not really viable as a dps compared to other combinations and heavily outclassed as both tank and supporter by /K and /D respectively. Those two are in dire need of a rework in my opinion. Ideally one of the two should be made a dps, to increase the amount of combinations a Champion can choose from as a damage dealer.

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We tried CH/p as dps before the last patch and it was nearly as strong as CH/m. Should be equal now. The main problem I saw is the aggro in trash phases of CH/p. I would say nearly no Knight can hold the aggro. If the CH/p skills wouldn't generate aggro in demo mode, it would be a fine class in my observations

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Thats not true. Mage/Warrior and Mage/Priest (maybe Mage/Druid) have also great single target burst. For the rest, I agree^^ . Also ,just my opinion, I think that the global aoe decrement, that was removed on static field was a bit too much. Maybe a dev can correct me if I'm wrong but the global decrement is 40% (I think). I don't suggest just adding that decrement but either add it an buff the damage of static field or add a less %-version. Because, as a mdps and mage player, I think static field is way too strong. I also think that just adding the decrement again would be too much of a nerf so I think, as it was said in the posts before, a step-by-step nerf would be welcome and not a "let's-destroy-this-class" nerf.

In addition to the mage and rogue comparison. What Rogue did you compare with which Mage. Because I can assure you that, just as an example, a Mage/Knight won't even touch a Rogue/Champ. So I generally don't like generalisations like "All Mages are so op" because that is simply not true.

There are some Mages *cough* Mage/Scout *cough* that are too strong currently but definitly not all of them.

I agree with most of these classes, but not with Mage/Scout. If I play Mage/Scout there are almost no classes that deal as much damage.

Greetings.

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I only use m/s, m/k and m/ch, and none of those you say. Guess from my list m/s is the only one good tho xD.

Im confused, you say:

So I generally don't like generalisations like "All Mages are so op" because that is simply not true.

There are some Mages *cough* Mage/Scout *cough* that are too strong currently but definitly not all of them.

But few lines before you ask for static field nerf? Both things are the opposite to each other. If this nerf would go trough, some combos will need a buff.

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Wow. If you only play 3 combos, don't say only m/s has strong single target. Would be the same if I say only r/s as leather is good. Rest is totally trash because I don't play them...

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I found rogues doing same dmg as my best mage and with some rogue combos I had nothing to do. Let's say I disagree with all this nonsense. Yes Reve, stop trolling xD

I can agree with that

Removing the %elemental dmg would instantly kill the whole class.

Also i don't think rogue is weak. Rogues for example do way more bossdmg.

It really depends on the player too and looking only at one person is not very accurate.

I personally saw enough ppl who played the same class and the one with lower gear did more dmg.

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The fact with way more bossdmg is actually not true. There are mages, which you burst with 30-40kk dps on single target.

If some ppl use balton as reference and the last skill of rogue in first phase is Wound Attack and the first or second hit in second phase is Wound Attack, then yes. Rogues can do way more. But in general I didn't see rogues beating mdps even in single target.

Mage is more skill based than rogue, if you can speak about skill in this game but some rogues does not need any skill, but mages need to get the maximum out of your character

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I took a few days off due to the card system and we got a new patch in this time.

What can I say? This is still some kind of misunderstanding for me

The fact that personal shops that need to be renewed everyday, buying prices are rising in them, is still not the right system in my opinion.

The fact that stones cost 24,000 souls and add 0.3 to attribute is a total nonsense and absurdity. That is fight with RNG?

You can find 4 stones in your personal shop ... Does anyone here know how many stones there are in total? If I count it well 194 !!!, if someone has better knowledge, please correct me.

There are 9 attributes that modify cards !!!

9 attributes and 194 stones! Madness, madness and stupidity, I can't name it otherwise.

My proposition about stones:

Remove 194 stones, add only 29:

9 stones that add a specific stat

9 stones that remove a specific stat

9 stones that INCREASE a specific stat by a SENSE / RANDOM value

1 stone that adds a random stat

1 stone that increases a random stat

In this simple way, we have 90% less randomness, we are not milked from diamonds, and our nerves are fine.

EDIT: And I am begging you, remove these idiotic names and name the stones logically, "Add HP", "Remove MP" etc.

EDIT 2: A stone for 24,000 souls should upgrade the card's parameters to its maximum value. With the current amount of cards (which will increase), 2455 * 24,000 = 58,920,000 is needed anyway, that's probably enough farming.

Again, here is Arcadia, not Casino

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One correction. 11 Attributes are possible on cards

Rest is a stupidity in this system, yes

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Personal store already now stays forever, is not time-related, you must just pay once to open it. After change you won't need to use button anymore if you don't need to.

"Right now" meaning its already that way? Because currently you need to pay the dias each day just to open it again.

Greetings.

That's right. nearly nobody would pay every day to open it and if I think to pay 50 dias to increase for example stamina by 0.1 hmm... 500 dias for 1 stamina? I guess nobody will do it. The world chat on friday was clear. The ppl don't like the system maybe except 1% of ppl

Edit: And not every person is writing in forum, but you see the likes on some posts in this thread

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hi,

Maybe you can use this

CastSpellByName(TEXT("Sys"..SkillID.."_name"))

This way it is used for skills in raidheal.

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To reduce personal store randomness we will change them in the way that:

- all items of certain type are always available,

- once a certain item is sold out, you can continue to buy it with extra price increment in diamonds like now or,

- use diamond button to refill all items in certain store to base amounts and prices.

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So you still need to pay for personal shop every day first? Or will one personal shop buy for free each day?

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Why are you all complaining? I mean, if all the diamonds investing methods are RNG, you can also rely on farming the cards yourself. I mean, I personally don't need 100% of perfected cards, it's enough to have "good" ones, which are easily farmed or created with a minimal effort. I haven't checked out the latest changes, but the base machanic should still be available I guess... Plus you can swap cards with other ppl, which lowers your grinding a lot.

Cenedrils are an equal power grind, where you can either invest a lot of diamonds (tickets) or time (or both), especially if you want multiple of them for different classes and roles. But noone ever complained.

I think you guys are generally demotivated by other reasons, so the "new content" seems not to match your expectations, which results in that kind of shitstorm. I can feel and understand this, but in my very own opinion, I can't complain about that.

First: For cenedrils you know how much time you need and how many diamonds you need (for tickets) to upgrade to lvl 100

Second: A "good" one for tank or healer or chain or cloth dps are way easier to get than an equal benefit for leather wearer.

Third: If ppl not amused with the card system, they have the right to complain about it, what the problems are (for them). Otherwise you don't need something like a forum

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One additional point. Like Johnkopytko said. You can delete leather with this new system. for a "good" card, you have a big problem as leather classes. (good = str/dex/patk/sta on card). For all other classes you need a maximum of 3 attributes... Don't know what the intention is, but I am hardly disappointed as a main leather player

To be honest. I have no words for the "rework" of the new card system.

To upgrade the attributes, you need to buy the personal shop I guess. Then you get some random stones, maybe not the one you need. You buy again and again and don't get you stone. Diamond costs increasing a lot.

If you have your stone you want, you can buy ONE????? Every additional stone you want to buy cost additional diamonds...

I mean, what is the intention of the card system? A system where ppl uses a lot of diamonds? Paying diamonds to get random stones is also.... no words.

The gold cost alone will use diamonds of the people, because this costs will only be covered with diamond->gold exchange.

This whole system is a déjà vu for me, which let me reminds to an other official server and publisher...

I am angry, totally angry. I had the hope of some good things for players.

The easiest idea would be to extract one attribut of your choice of a card and transfer it to an other card. In this case you could have implemented something like the random attribute stones of the IS and the cost for each card (maximum of 4 stones for each card) would be foreseeable.

But as it is now, it is even worse than before in my eyes Oo

Totally removed my personal fun of the game

Edit: And you still need to choose which way you go. if you have pdps and mdps gear, you are ***** with this system of cards

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Download the patch manual and install it with closed launcher:

https://playernetgames.net/download

Hi,

as far as I can say from guild runs and random runs,t leather is less in group than all others

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It's a pity that now it is too late for such a change, since people have eq in 3/3 or 4/2 stats.

It was the same with the healer with the difference that healer didnt have 3 useless stats but 6 and they had to get all 6 new. If you would want to get 3 other dex stats:
1. the 3 others would be cheap af (dex dex tikal/hos and stamdex rofl)

2. they could add another buff which transfers 50% str into dex

yes, you lose all the tiering costs, but like i said, healers had to go through that struggle aswell with even more problems

This change was asked in this thread a lot of months ago. A DEV answered, that they don't change attribute scaling for leather (remove str, increase dex). Only after this answer I began to make my gear. As Cruvor said, for healers it was at the beginning of balance (first patch?) and nearly 1 year ago. I am strictly against such change after 1 year that the balance process started, because such a change would make leather classes dead for sure. Increasing scaling of str + dex in same relation or decreasing in same relation wouldn't result in a new gear and would be a better solution, IF such attribute scaling is in planning.

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just delete all leather class bcs this nerf all the time is not funny

magic class are stronger than all leather class but u nerf leather class

GJ more nerf good way if u wanna less ppl here do it more GJ

nice +1

wtt full gold leather gear for equal cloth bcs im done with this idiot balance

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ps. if someone wanna waste money make leather eq

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Now R can be only buffer xd

Many ppl may be fell disappointed....

i don't understand what you both are talking about.

i never played r/p since long time but as i see even people who cant deal half of their damage as any other rogue are performing ok with this class in runs, and i don't see a nerf in change list whatsoever. you are losing 15% pdmg (17-18%~ since pdmg is working weird with flat damage buffs) and gaining 10% more aoe damage against 6 target, gaining 120% more aoe damage against 15 target.

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there are few problematic combo of rogue, my opinion about rogues generally is:

rogue/mage is one of these problematic combos in my opinion which is relying on physical attack boosters ALOT more compared to other classes due to having lowest physical attack among other classes even with end game equipment, and it is also most expensive rogue combo to deal its maximum potential damage i believe in end content.

other one is rogue/warlock which is performing mediocre/ok due to missing aoe damage, but it again depends on playstyle of the tank.

rogue/druid: best duo for rogue/mage -- is a bit uncomfortable to play due to needing to change your location alot for sustain aoe, but does decent damage

rogue/champion: best support for balton lovers, after m/wl ofc -- imo a weak class due to losing alot in terms of damage comparison with others in raid, in exchange to buff party slightly (not buffing mdps alot however)

rogue/warrior: slowest rogue, but highest burst potential (not comparing with r/p because i don't know how it is for burst), it overperfoms in slow runs / easily outperforms any mage i met in any type of run

rogue/warden: i didn't play recently, but it was feeling quite weak in slow runs due to missing sustained damage

rogue/scout: i didn't play recently

and have to mention that i don't care about damage of these classes in balton while writing these opinions, everything is about overall damage, not just single target burst.

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loosing 15% pdmg for rogue results in ~22% damage loss (for me^^)

One additional point: I don't think rogue/warrior has highest burst potential. For AOE yes, but single target not. My r/s, r/p, r/wrd, r/wl, r/m and r/ch dealing more single target burst (balton) than r/w. (didn't played r/d for a while)

But r/w is, as you said, probably the best rogue for slow runs and has the best AOE of rogues for me, but the class is even worse than a good mage (let it be mage/ch or mage/s or any other good mage as good as those two) in overall rofl. Maybe the single target burst potential of r/w is better than other rogues, if there are other rogues of which you can leech the bleedings, but this are my experiences and r/w wasn't changed a long time.

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