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just delete all leather class bcs this nerf all the time is not funny

magic class are stronger than all leather class but u nerf leather class

GJ more nerf good way if u wanna less ppl here do it more GJ

nice +1

wtt full gold leather gear for equal cloth bcs im done with this idiot balance

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ps. if someone wanna waste money make leather eq

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Now R can be only buffer xd

Many ppl may be fell disappointed....

i don't understand what you both are talking about.

i never played r/p since long time but as i see even people who cant deal half of their damage as any other rogue are performing ok with this class in runs, and i don't see a nerf in change list whatsoever. you are losing 15% pdmg (17-18%~ since pdmg is working weird with flat damage buffs) and gaining 10% more aoe damage against 6 target, gaining 120% more aoe damage against 15 target.

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there are few problematic combo of rogue, my opinion about rogues generally is:

rogue/mage is one of these problematic combos in my opinion which is relying on physical attack boosters ALOT more compared to other classes due to having lowest physical attack among other classes even with end game equipment, and it is also most expensive rogue combo to deal its maximum potential damage i believe in end content.

other one is rogue/warlock which is performing mediocre/ok due to missing aoe damage, but it again depends on playstyle of the tank.

rogue/druid: best duo for rogue/mage -- is a bit uncomfortable to play due to needing to change your location alot for sustain aoe, but does decent damage

rogue/champion: best support for balton lovers, after m/wl ofc -- imo a weak class due to losing alot in terms of damage comparison with others in raid, in exchange to buff party slightly (not buffing mdps alot however)

rogue/warrior: slowest rogue, but highest burst potential (not comparing with r/p because i don't know how it is for burst), it overperfoms in slow runs / easily outperforms any mage i met in any type of run

rogue/warden: i didn't play recently, but it was feeling quite weak in slow runs due to missing sustained damage

rogue/scout: i didn't play recently

and have to mention that i don't care about damage of these classes in balton while writing these opinions, everything is about overall damage, not just single target burst.

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loosing 15% pdmg for rogue results in ~22% damage loss (for me^^)

One additional point: I don't think rogue/warrior has highest burst potential. For AOE yes, but single target not. My r/s, r/p, r/wrd, r/wl, r/m and r/ch dealing more single target burst (balton) than r/w. (didn't played r/d for a while)

But r/w is, as you said, probably the best rogue for slow runs and has the best AOE of rogues for me, but the class is even worse than a good mage (let it be mage/ch or mage/s or any other good mage as good as those two) in overall rofl. Maybe the single target burst potential of r/w is better than other rogues, if there are other rogues of which you can leech the bleedings, but this are my experiences and r/w wasn't changed a long time.

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Would someone be so kind and explain me the exact reasons why classes are stronger as others? Why is everyone saying nerf MDD and everyone crying about leather classes, even tho a few rogue classes got a pretty good buff with the energy recharge? I only know my Knight combos, so i would love to know which class is the strongest atm based off ROFL runs and why other classes cant compete with others etc

either pm or ingame, thank you very much!

The energy buff for rogues is for a more fluent game play, not a really strong buff, because with buffs you have also dwarven ale up. Furthermore only r/d, r/p and r/s needs/can use the new buff. r/wrd don't need it.

In my opinion you cannot say "this class is the best". It depends on gameplay, group play, pull style and much more.

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Hi I would like to suggest Ice Blades (ID 490071) for P/S to remove from GCD . It is really useless especially this class has only 1 aoe damage not like other mdps or just add another aoe for this class like changing elite skills 45 / 60 / 70 because they are now mdps class.

And I notice on this class only 1 skill can use focus, Drowning Attack (ID 492397) and has 12 secs cd so there are lot of focus left. If possible to remove the cd of this skill and just add the required focus on this skill.

Thanks For Hard Working devs

I am not ingame atm, but Ice Blades have no cd, right? Removing gcd would result in spammable AOE 5 times a second. Would be to much in my eyes without testing

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Regarding Rogue:

After testing the rotation of several Rogue combinations for a bit, I can attest that Energy issues are pretty severe (except for /W as was already mentioned).

Hence my following suggestion. Change Numbing Dagger (a skill nearly noone ever uses anyway) to

Cursed Blade: "Sap the vitality of your foe causing 400% mainhand weapon dps physical damage to the target and restoring 50 Energy to you." 8 seconds cd and doesn't cause a gcd.

This would be akin to Warlock's Heart Collection Strike and would help sustaining a lot. The Rage sustain issues Warrior and Champion had were addressed long ago, so it would be just fair. If any balancing issues should arise in the aftermath, small corrections can always be applied to the respective secondary classes. Afterall classes should have a somewhat fluent rotation. I can imagine that especially new players who lack elite skills will have a hard time leveling a Rogue.

Regarding Druid/Warrior:

I agree with Midan, looks promising. However, I still suggest removing the gcd of Heart Piercing and adding it to Slash.

The reason for this is that the non gcd ability is used first and having one that costs Rage just feels so clunky to play. Moreover, it would help with Rage sustain quite a bit, since Heart Piercing is used every 1.5 seconds and generates Rage constantly.

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Regarding the Rogue suggestion: I support the idea, but it does not need 400% dps. could be also lower if it does not cause a global cooldown.

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My statement was about rogues in general that they cannot compete with other classes in longer fights than dwarven ale is up

Indeed. And I disagree with this statement (generalization), which I should have made sufficiently clear in my previous posts.

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And btw rogue/k is a dps class, If champions are dps

Yep, R/K without Power of the Lion active is as good a dps as Ch/W with Disassembly Mode active.

If you compare CH/WL with r/p it is not fair comparing CH/w with r/k...

We will see. You have your opinion and some other ppl have an other opinion. That's OK

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But you are comparing a weaker chain class with one of the top rogues

Warrior/CH was an example. Also Warrior/r and Warrior/WL are on top with lower gear.

I also haven't the new ISS yet. And at least the CH/m is stronger than CH/WL.

I understand that some chain classes are not on top, but please understand that you should one of the best chain classes comparing with one of the best rogues. Otherwise we can discuss that r/k is totally useless. Far far away in damage than CH/m while both tanking and even not so tanky in dps gear

P.S.: I tested the chain class for myself with my own rogue. I am not a fan of comparing with other ppl because of reasons

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But isn't balancing about roughly equalizing the strength of all (dps) classes ? Ch/Wl was once top Champion too before getting nerfed. In fact, we have seen many top combinations of their respective class rise and fall. So you would be fine with the R/P nerf if there was a stronger Rogue ? I don't get the logic behind your argumentation.

I'm not saying that they should keep the R/P nerf. But you should understand that taking it away arises the need of buffing many other, weaker, classes.

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If you would read my first statement to the nerf, i said "yes" which means something like "OK". My statement was about rogues in general that they cannot compete with other classes in longer fights than dwarven ale is up

And btw rogue/k is a dps class, If champions are dps

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Heyo ,

Little Suggestion / Wish for Scout/Rogue .

Would it be possible to remove the GCD of Shot and/or Sapping Arrow (491496) ?

This change would make the class rotation more fluent .

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I like the idea for sapping arrow.

But wouldn't recommend such change for Shot. This would be to strong in single target compared to others, because you could always use 3 skills in 1,5 seconds

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Maybe for CH/WL which get a buff. But r/p is atm the strongest rogue in single damage and right behind r/w in aoe. With my t10 Chain gear I did more damage with Warrior/CH for example.

I don't think that Ch/Wl gets a buff. The reduced cd of Indomitable Spirit just counteracts the loss of patk.

Agreed, classes like Warrior/Champion excell at longer fights. But if the R/P nerf is to be reverted, Ch/Wl has to be buffed.

I dislike generalizations, because they have lead to nerfs of all secondary classes, like it could be observed with Champion's Rune Pulse & Imprisonment Pulse ( excluding weapon passive, because several classes got that treatment).

I get that you are upset with W/Ch dealing more damage than your rogue, but please understand that I'm in the same situation when comparing R/P to my Ch/Wl.

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But you are comparing a weaker chain class with one of the top rogues

Warrior/CH was an example. Also Warrior/r and Warrior/WL are on top with lower gear.

I also haven't the new ISS yet. And at least the CH/m is stronger than CH/WL.

I understand that some chain classes are not on top, but please understand that you should one of the best chain classes comparing with one of the best rogues. Otherwise we can discuss that r/k is totally useless. Far far away in damage than CH/m while both tanking and even not so tanky in dps gear

P.S.: I tested the chain class for myself with my own rogue. I am not a fan of comparing with other ppl because of reasons

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Did you also compare yourself to M / S, M / WD, M / CH, CH / M, W / R. In my humble opinion, comparing yourself to one class is not very appropriate.

It is, because both you and Lutine said chain classes are stronger than Rogues in general. As I have stated, this is not true for classes like Ch/Wl.

Maybe for CH/WL which get a buff. But r/p is atm the strongest rogue in single damage and right behind r/w in aoe. With my t10 Chain gear I did more damage with Warrior/CH for example.

regarding rogue/priest change:

• Reduced Patience and Salvation maximum stack to 15 from 20.

Maybe it was the strongest rogue yes.

But for rogues in general: As I tested and saw in the last days after the 30% nerf, the fights lasts longer (no surprise ) and this brought the main problem of rogues to the light.

In general rogues cannot compare in whole RoFL with Chain dps or mdps classes. Maybe except rogue/Warrior because of his aoe.

With way better gear (2-3 Tiers), better cenedrils and other things I have more, I just manage to compete with mdps classes in longer RoFL runs now (even if it is only 5 minutes longer than before).

The main problem of most rogues is the energy. You cannot regenerate it like warriors with attacks or have an endless alternative skill like other classes like mdps or scouts. Practically if you ran out of energy, you need to wait 4 seconds to use a skill again, because you regenrate only every 2 seconds a few energy. With Rogue/warden for example you have a mana based Skill next to your Charged Chop. But rogue/priest, rogue/Druid, rogue/mage, rogue/WL haven't an alternative skill. Even with Rogue/warrior and rogue/CH you run out of both resources in long fights. But with Rogue/Warrior it is nearly never a problem (good elite skills, thx for it)

But the other rogues are only decoration in the group without energy (need to test r/CH after next patch).

This is just my opinion based on playstyle of rogues and chain classes in the last days and comparing it with mdps and other chain classes ( I know chain will be nerfed. But longer fights -> worse for rogues xd )

What feelings have other rogue players?

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What is (in your opinion) the "strongest" healer class? Because for me, and I agree with Zyrex on that one, its not the class with the highest heal output (let's be honest here, every heal combi heals more than any dps has life with a single spell xD). The "strongest" heal, imho, is a heal from which the raid benefits the most. So if you have,e.g., a lot of dps, who have skills with %-Mana, P/M is without a doubt one of the strongest priests you can play.

And if, and that is just my personal opinion, the amount a heal heals matters, than your simply not ready to run a new instance because ANYONE can heal rofl solo with ANY combination and red gear (no gold gear, no t18 weapon, no t13-14 gear, just simple t8-t10 red gear, because thats what I use).

If believe, hope, that it will effect only the caster because right now some benefits of "Frost Halo" also only affect the caster (rising tide e.g.). If that is not the case...please change it xD becaue it would be way to op if this'll affect the whole group/raid.

Edit: It was just changed that its only the owner

Greetings.

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You didn’t understand what i wrote. We can’t compare anything if RoFL is the highest ini because you don’t even need so much heal. When your dds kill all mobs in few seconds they can’t even use their dots. The strongest HEALER heal the strongest so the strongest healer is d/p, p/d and p/s. P/M is definetely more supportive healer with less healing potential. I understand your point of view but even p/m needs changes to make him stronger in healing. I really hope we will get harder ini because it’s really disapointing when healer without any AoE healing elite skill can heal ini solo, isn’t it?

PS: Damage has been reduced about 30% maybe healing should be reduced too?

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Regarding healing reduce: you shouldn't forget lower characters with lower gear/stats. For example inferno is designed to heal with tikal gear and gorge to heal with half-half tikal/inferno Gear. With those gears you have way less bonus healing points and wisdom. The healing output will be very low comparing with rofl parties. If you reduce healing output in general, you will reduce it for all.

But: the main problem with to much heal is, that healer will heal in every instance the same. It's not like with dps where you fight against the def of trash/bosses. So practically you can build one healer gear now and it is enough for the next 10 contents.

If you think about healer balancing, I would think about a not visible nerf of heal output or Bonus healing/wisdom for each instance. The higher the instance, the higher the nerf. Like the def of bosses/trash increase with each instance.

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Scouts have 2 seconds CD on Wind Arrow with crossbow. With bow you have 1 second CD. This was mentioned in a patch note but it's missing in skill description.

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* The Water Elemental of Rebirth seems like an "okayish" matt boost of 5%, which also grants the party some mana recovery. Maybe add this recovery to the caster as well and remove the 4s of cast, which is way too much.

Hmm but you will need the fairy I think.

You can have fairy and water elemental at same time

In my linked thread. Version is fixed in attachment

Edit: the newest Version of AU already works with this Raid Heal version. There is the CastSpellbyName function fixed

Looking at Raidheal FPS Problems

The main version of raidheal produces heavy lags

Hi,

I guess we all are wondering and waiting for an update of the new card system. Some improvements were anounced in white color before the last patch and are now in purple color.

I think not only me is now wondering, if there will really come an update/improvement/change. I know many players waiting for it...

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My sugestion about W/Ch

elite skill 35: Moon Cleave no need rage but consumes vitality points, after accurate hit increase bleed damage from slash for few sec.

elite skill 60: -||-. If target have bleed, (slash bleed effect) shock strike deal additional damage.

elite skill 70: Blood Whirlwind have eqeal bleed damage like bleed efect from slash.

As others have already written, this would push the class over the edge in terms of damage.

However, since the level 35 elite is outright useless atm, I partially agree with changing it too "Moon Cleave consumes Life instead of Rage." (10%). Keep in mind, without any added bleed.

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Regarding R/Ch

I thought a long time about this class. Need to say that in my opinion the change a few weeks/months ago, that "Electrocution" triggers a "Low Blow" if you have enough energy, results in a bit more burst damage, that you can nearly compete with other rogues (still a bit lower, but ok) but in sustain or aoe damage, you lack hard in comparison with for example r/w, r/d, r/p or r/wrd. Why? Because the energy consumption of Electrocution is heavy -> permanent out of energy. If you use other skills for single target hits like "Heavy Bash" or "Energy Influx Strike" you go fast out of rage (Electrocution only needs 10 rage).

This class lacks a bit of things like r/d, r/wrd or r/p have -> non global cooldown skills

Maybe change Heavy Bash on this class to be flawless and give it a chance to recover some rage or energy and cost 10 rage instead of 20? There could also be a reduce of the level 60 elite to 3% damage per stack to not overpower this class. But atm the playstyle is kinda "laggy" because of both resource problems

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Solid suggestion in terms of convenience, but reducing the damage increment of the level 60 elite by a mere 1% is not enough to counteract the damage gain of a flawless Heavy Bash. It would be at least needed to be cut in half (2%).

After all, R/Ch has lots of group support (lvl 15, lvl 20, lvl 45 elite) and shouldn't be as strong as other Rogues.

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Cutting lvl elite by half depends in change. If Heavy Bash is changed to be flawless without any other changes, you will be same like before without dwarven ale. The support of the class works only on static enemies (bosses). A change like for CH/m costing mana for Heavy Bash is not possible.

Changing Heavy Bash to not cost any resource would be not in my mind, therefore the lvl elite needs to be cut by 75% or more.

It depends on the devs ^^, but the main problem of this class is to be always out of both resources without dwarven ale. Other classes still have minimum 1 skill without resource cost or with resource you have infinitly (mana) like at CH/m, r/d, r/wrd or r/p.

Even with r/w you have nearly no resource problems (except spamming whirlwind), because the class have a good rotation with rage and energy skills

Edit: even with his own support IT is nowadays weaker at jerath event than r/p without any supp

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Regarding R/Ch

I thought a long time about this class. Need to say that in my opinion the change a few weeks/months ago, that "Electrocution" triggers a "Low Blow" if you have enough energy, results in a bit more burst damage, that you can nearly compete with other rogues (still a bit lower, but ok) but in sustain or aoe damage, you lack hard in comparison with for example r/w, r/d, r/p or r/wrd. Why? Because the energy consumption of Electrocution is heavy -> permanent out of energy. If you use other skills for single target hits like "Heavy Bash" or "Energy Influx Strike" you go fast out of rage (Electrocution only needs 10 rage).

This class lacks a bit of things like r/d, r/wrd or r/p have -> non global cooldown skills

Maybe change Heavy Bash on this class to be flawless and give it a chance to recover some rage or energy and cost 10 rage instead of 20? There could also be a reduce of the level 60 elite to 3% damage per stack to not overpower this class. But atm the playstyle is kinda "laggy" because of both resource problems

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My sugestion about W/Ch

elite skill 35: Moon Cleave no need rage but consumes vitality points, after accurate hit increase bleed damage from slash for few sec.

elite skill 60: -||-. If target have bleed, (slash bleed effect) shock strike deal additional damage.

elite skill 70: Blood Whirlwind have eqeal bleed damage like bleed efect from slash.

I am against such change. W/Ch is not weak and your suggestions would increase the AOE damage of the class to a level, that might be even higher than ch/m. This would only change the ch/m meta to w/ch meta. Better focus on classes, that can not compete with such classes

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I've been looking at these changes to mag dps for a few patches now and some of the changes are so badly missed.... So far I've played practically every mage combo except m/ch ( don't like rage combo XD), wrl/wd, wrl/r and d/wrl.

First of all general change on storm x2, in my opinion it doesn't weaken dps of mages on instance, because it's not main skill of aoe ( due to it has cd). You want to actually nerf the dps of mages change static field, which on every mage is the strongest aoe skill. Personally I think that this skill should get a mega nerf, because practically every mage has his individual aoe skill from elite skills, but in general it's not worth to use them ( except m/wd and m/d, because there you can use these skills practically simultaneously and m/k, which has aoe giving bonus to light).

Evaluating the recent m/d changes, of course they are all for a big +, but they don't make this combination suddenly the best mage ( hard to compete with a mega good m/s or m/wd). My bet is that he is currently somewhere on the level of m/r, meaning he will do good dps, but not the best of all mags. I'm waiting for m/p corrections, which has been forgotten a bit????

I kinda don't understand forumers who say that d/wrl is weaker than mages, I walk around with it quite often, and after the recent changes ( where we can practically keep 20 points of nature all the time) and strengthening the dmg from poison, it makes a very good dps. ( well and it is in my opinion the perfect combination for beginner magic dps, because it has very much mattu ). I haven't played d/r yet, but seeing elite skills it seems to be such a druid equivalent of m/s in making dps.

For wrl/wd in my opinion nothing has changed after a few nerfs, continues to be a super combination with good dps overall. Changes on wrl/r all for +, but to play it well in ROFL, we need a w/p in the team to not die from aoe trash skills.

And then there's that w/m XDD. A combination that is in my opinion the weakest magic dps because there are no specific reinforcements on it. You changed that skills don't cause gcd, increased aoe ranges, cast time of 1 skill to 1 second. Everything is fine, but why do these skills still hit from wind instead of fire>???? I think that 1h weapon+ talisman combination is meant for w/m only we have one small problem here. Talisman only amplifies fire damage, where on w/m fire damage is dealt by white attack and 1 skill. Everything else deals wind damage. Personally I would suggest changing the talisman ( that would be best) to give bonus to all element types, but I'm realistic and I'd rather see a change that all w/m skills deal fire damage ( it's a bit weird to introduce 2 elemental dmg without giving bonus to any element, like on mages)

Finally I would like to add my idea. We have many set skills which are duplicated ( some even repeat 3 times). A lot of skills are unchanged and give ridiculous bonuses like magic accuracy. Maybe it is worth to change weaker equivalents of set skils and introduce skills for those unusual combinations like magic warrior, magic/physical beating druid, physical beating priest, healing sorcerer etc.The game only starts on the final instances anyway and low level skills are only pulled by collectors, and so there would be more interest.

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Hi,

1 hint. W/M is played with 2h. The auto attacks does not do the most damage anymore. Furthermore you need castspeed on this class instead of attack speed

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there is a problem with treatment because when you need this treatment you don't have it, and don't tell me that it's my only problem and that you have such a pro guild because you don't have a pro guild, every cure has the same problem as me, you don't play with treatment, so don't say anything about it if you don't know something. ;))

When I need healing, I take with me heal with medium+ skills and he can heal me without any problems.

You wrote that when someone needs healing, they don't have it, does it have to do with reducing the "Arcadia Patience" buff? If it were, then the healing should be too little, but you wrote that it was missing.

So, are you sure you are making good use of your character's skills? Maybe you should try cast any healing skills?

Why you said me "your guild is not pro"? That hurt me, maybe you spoken the truth, but our heals don't have any problems, so my guild is guild with pro heals

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I guess I know her problem. There is a new Interface setting, which will by default disable overheal values

Maybe that is why she think there is no heal anymore

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These is not "spoil", these can be your skills, maybe you should try improve them, in our guild we don't find any problems with "treatment".

there is a problem with treatment because when you need this treatment you don't have it, and don't tell me that it's my only problem and that you have such a pro guild because you don't have a pro guild, every cure has the same problem as me, you don't play with treatment, so don't say anything about it if you don't know something. ;))

Hi,

do you speak about?:Reduced Arcadian Patience rate to 1% from 10%.If yes, you know this buff will be removed totally at some time in future, as it was announced months ago?Furthermore no heals should have a problem with healing because of reducing this buff. healer had several months dealing with the "remove Arcadia Patience" in the future

I re-uploaded the vid of Rofl , because of some hates I got cause of the quality (it was just for proving -.-)

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Himen and Bandicoot,

I've borrowed a full gorge equipment (gorge statted) and used 2 weapons from merchant at RoFL entrance. You can see in the video, that also player with full golden gear didn't make my damage. Btw last time I played warrior is a few months ago. All in all you can say that a full raid of skilled ppl in gorge gear can clear RoFL in less than 1,5 hours, even in less than 1 hour. There can be a way better raid setup

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again thets what u think , and i l repeat as everyone say it go ahead and try it then tell us once u try u will know. just with thinking with logic if u got more magical , physical dmg and power you do more dmg so you need less time to do it... i m saying dont talk about something if u didnt try it now. also i did speak with few guild and with 1 guild thet done rofl within first guild who has done it and they also confirmed it took them 2+ hours untill they got few stats , gear from rofl... so its not just me saying it. and damage dealing people have no idea is true in some cases , but in cases thet is not true , what about it then... i l repeat go test it with people gorge gear and tell me how long it took u. btw again i l say this server is lacking players so if it requires more people to do inis its gna get even harder , and it should be done with 8-10 people gorge gear again cos there is not many people playing this game ...

There is the mistake in your research. Only speaking to one guild. I also know that the 6-7 guilds clearing rofl 1 year ago, needed different time to clear rofl. Some more, some less time. You should ask the GM/DEVs, which have the values