Posts by xLutinex

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I think its quiet sad that you only see ch/m as only champ dps class. I think only buffing /wl isnt enough, but instead buff /warrior, /scout and /rogue aswell, so champion can exist in the game as fully dps class again. But PLEASE plan ahead what youre aiming for on each classcombo. One class more aoe focused, while the other one might be more singletarget focused.

Its sad to see that the main reason why a champ is in the party is the /druid for its support (dont know about /knight as tank). Would love to see more champ dps instead of just a single one for a whole class.

The main problem is that the overwhelming majority only plays the best class combination available to them. One combination will always stick out and thus will be played.

Sadly many nerfs where directed to Champion in general, instead of nerfing the combinations specifically that were overperforming, which left certain secondary classes in a bad shape.

Moreover, Ch/W and Ch/P are two underwhelming combinations that just don't see play. Ch/W is a bad tank who nobody in his right mind would choose over Ch/K. Same with Ch/P, not really viable as a dps compared to other combinations and heavily outclassed as both tank and supporter by /K and /D respectively. Those two are in dire need of a rework in my opinion. Ideally one of the two should be made a dps, to increase the amount of combinations a Champion can choose from as a damage dealer.

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We tried CH/p as dps before the last patch and it was nearly as strong as CH/m. Should be equal now. The main problem I saw is the aggro in trash phases of CH/p. I would say nearly no Knight can hold the aggro. If the CH/p skills wouldn't generate aggro in demo mode, it would be a fine class in my observations

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Thats not true. Mage/Warrior and Mage/Priest (maybe Mage/Druid) have also great single target burst. For the rest, I agree^^ . Also ,just my opinion, I think that the global aoe decrement, that was removed on static field was a bit too much. Maybe a dev can correct me if I'm wrong but the global decrement is 40% (I think). I don't suggest just adding that decrement but either add it an buff the damage of static field or add a less %-version. Because, as a mdps and mage player, I think static field is way too strong. I also think that just adding the decrement again would be too much of a nerf so I think, as it was said in the posts before, a step-by-step nerf would be welcome and not a "let's-destroy-this-class" nerf.

In addition to the mage and rogue comparison. What Rogue did you compare with which Mage. Because I can assure you that, just as an example, a Mage/Knight won't even touch a Rogue/Champ. So I generally don't like generalisations like "All Mages are so op" because that is simply not true.

There are some Mages *cough* Mage/Scout *cough* that are too strong currently but definitly not all of them.

I agree with most of these classes, but not with Mage/Scout. If I play Mage/Scout there are almost no classes that deal as much damage.

Greetings.

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I only use m/s, m/k and m/ch, and none of those you say. Guess from my list m/s is the only one good tho xD.

Im confused, you say:

So I generally don't like generalisations like "All Mages are so op" because that is simply not true.

There are some Mages *cough* Mage/Scout *cough* that are too strong currently but definitly not all of them.

But few lines before you ask for static field nerf? Both things are the opposite to each other. If this nerf would go trough, some combos will need a buff.

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Wow. If you only play 3 combos, don't say only m/s has strong single target. Would be the same if I say only r/s as leather is good. Rest is totally trash because I don't play them...

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I found rogues doing same dmg as my best mage and with some rogue combos I had nothing to do. Let's say I disagree with all this nonsense. Yes Reve, stop trolling xD

I can agree with that

Removing the %elemental dmg would instantly kill the whole class.

Also i don't think rogue is weak. Rogues for example do way more bossdmg.

It really depends on the player too and looking only at one person is not very accurate.

I personally saw enough ppl who played the same class and the one with lower gear did more dmg.

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The fact with way more bossdmg is actually not true. There are mages, which you burst with 30-40kk dps on single target.

If some ppl use balton as reference and the last skill of rogue in first phase is Wound Attack and the first or second hit in second phase is Wound Attack, then yes. Rogues can do way more. But in general I didn't see rogues beating mdps even in single target.

Mage is more skill based than rogue, if you can speak about skill in this game but some rogues does not need any skill, but mages need to get the maximum out of your character

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I took a few days off due to the card system and we got a new patch in this time.

What can I say? This is still some kind of misunderstanding for me

The fact that personal shops that need to be renewed everyday, buying prices are rising in them, is still not the right system in my opinion.

The fact that stones cost 24,000 souls and add 0.3 to attribute is a total nonsense and absurdity. That is fight with RNG?

You can find 4 stones in your personal shop ... Does anyone here know how many stones there are in total? If I count it well 194 !!!, if someone has better knowledge, please correct me.

There are 9 attributes that modify cards !!!

9 attributes and 194 stones! Madness, madness and stupidity, I can't name it otherwise.

My proposition about stones:

Remove 194 stones, add only 29:

9 stones that add a specific stat

9 stones that remove a specific stat

9 stones that INCREASE a specific stat by a SENSE / RANDOM value

1 stone that adds a random stat

1 stone that increases a random stat

In this simple way, we have 90% less randomness, we are not milked from diamonds, and our nerves are fine.

EDIT: And I am begging you, remove these idiotic names and name the stones logically, "Add HP", "Remove MP" etc.

EDIT 2: A stone for 24,000 souls should upgrade the card's parameters to its maximum value. With the current amount of cards (which will increase), 2455 * 24,000 = 58,920,000 is needed anyway, that's probably enough farming.

Again, here is Arcadia, not Casino

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One correction. 11 Attributes are possible on cards

Rest is a stupidity in this system, yes

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Personal store already now stays forever, is not time-related, you must just pay once to open it. After change you won't need to use button anymore if you don't need to.

"Right now" meaning its already that way? Because currently you need to pay the dias each day just to open it again.

Greetings.

That's right. nearly nobody would pay every day to open it and if I think to pay 50 dias to increase for example stamina by 0.1 hmm... 500 dias for 1 stamina? I guess nobody will do it. The world chat on friday was clear. The ppl don't like the system maybe except 1% of ppl

Edit: And not every person is writing in forum, but you see the likes on some posts in this thread

Greetings

hi,

Maybe you can use this

CastSpellByName(TEXT("Sys"..SkillID.."_name"))

This way it is used for skills in raidheal.

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To reduce personal store randomness we will change them in the way that:

- all items of certain type are always available,

- once a certain item is sold out, you can continue to buy it with extra price increment in diamonds like now or,

- use diamond button to refill all items in certain store to base amounts and prices.

Greetings

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So you still need to pay for personal shop every day first? Or will one personal shop buy for free each day?

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Why are you all complaining? I mean, if all the diamonds investing methods are RNG, you can also rely on farming the cards yourself. I mean, I personally don't need 100% of perfected cards, it's enough to have "good" ones, which are easily farmed or created with a minimal effort. I haven't checked out the latest changes, but the base machanic should still be available I guess... Plus you can swap cards with other ppl, which lowers your grinding a lot.

Cenedrils are an equal power grind, where you can either invest a lot of diamonds (tickets) or time (or both), especially if you want multiple of them for different classes and roles. But noone ever complained.

I think you guys are generally demotivated by other reasons, so the "new content" seems not to match your expectations, which results in that kind of shitstorm. I can feel and understand this, but in my very own opinion, I can't complain about that.

First: For cenedrils you know how much time you need and how many diamonds you need (for tickets) to upgrade to lvl 100

Second: A "good" one for tank or healer or chain or cloth dps are way easier to get than an equal benefit for leather wearer.

Third: If ppl not amused with the card system, they have the right to complain about it, what the problems are (for them). Otherwise you don't need something like a forum

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One additional point. Like Johnkopytko said. You can delete leather with this new system. for a "good" card, you have a big problem as leather classes. (good = str/dex/patk/sta on card). For all other classes you need a maximum of 3 attributes... Don't know what the intention is, but I am hardly disappointed as a main leather player

To be honest. I have no words for the "rework" of the new card system.

To upgrade the attributes, you need to buy the personal shop I guess. Then you get some random stones, maybe not the one you need. You buy again and again and don't get you stone. Diamond costs increasing a lot.

If you have your stone you want, you can buy ONE????? Every additional stone you want to buy cost additional diamonds...

I mean, what is the intention of the card system? A system where ppl uses a lot of diamonds? Paying diamonds to get random stones is also.... no words.

The gold cost alone will use diamonds of the people, because this costs will only be covered with diamond->gold exchange.

This whole system is a déjà vu for me, which let me reminds to an other official server and publisher...

I am angry, totally angry. I had the hope of some good things for players.

The easiest idea would be to extract one attribut of your choice of a card and transfer it to an other card. In this case you could have implemented something like the random attribute stones of the IS and the cost for each card (maximum of 4 stones for each card) would be foreseeable.

But as it is now, it is even worse than before in my eyes Oo

Totally removed my personal fun of the game

Edit: And you still need to choose which way you go. if you have pdps and mdps gear, you are ***** with this system of cards

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Download the patch manual and install it with closed launcher:

https://playernetgames.net/download

Hi,

as far as I can say from guild runs and random runs,t leather is less in group than all others

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It's a pity that now it is too late for such a change, since people have eq in 3/3 or 4/2 stats.

It was the same with the healer with the difference that healer didnt have 3 useless stats but 6 and they had to get all 6 new. If you would want to get 3 other dex stats:
1. the 3 others would be cheap af (dex dex tikal/hos and stamdex rofl)

2. they could add another buff which transfers 50% str into dex

yes, you lose all the tiering costs, but like i said, healers had to go through that struggle aswell with even more problems

This change was asked in this thread a lot of months ago. A DEV answered, that they don't change attribute scaling for leather (remove str, increase dex). Only after this answer I began to make my gear. As Cruvor said, for healers it was at the beginning of balance (first patch?) and nearly 1 year ago. I am strictly against such change after 1 year that the balance process started, because such a change would make leather classes dead for sure. Increasing scaling of str + dex in same relation or decreasing in same relation wouldn't result in a new gear and would be a better solution, IF such attribute scaling is in planning.

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just delete all leather class bcs this nerf all the time is not funny

magic class are stronger than all leather class but u nerf leather class

GJ more nerf good way if u wanna less ppl here do it more GJ

nice +1

wtt full gold leather gear for equal cloth bcs im done with this idiot balance

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ps. if someone wanna waste money make leather eq

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Now R can be only buffer xd

Many ppl may be fell disappointed....

i don't understand what you both are talking about.

i never played r/p since long time but as i see even people who cant deal half of their damage as any other rogue are performing ok with this class in runs, and i don't see a nerf in change list whatsoever. you are losing 15% pdmg (17-18%~ since pdmg is working weird with flat damage buffs) and gaining 10% more aoe damage against 6 target, gaining 120% more aoe damage against 15 target.

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there are few problematic combo of rogue, my opinion about rogues generally is:

rogue/mage is one of these problematic combos in my opinion which is relying on physical attack boosters ALOT more compared to other classes due to having lowest physical attack among other classes even with end game equipment, and it is also most expensive rogue combo to deal its maximum potential damage i believe in end content.

other one is rogue/warlock which is performing mediocre/ok due to missing aoe damage, but it again depends on playstyle of the tank.

rogue/druid: best duo for rogue/mage -- is a bit uncomfortable to play due to needing to change your location alot for sustain aoe, but does decent damage

rogue/champion: best support for balton lovers, after m/wl ofc -- imo a weak class due to losing alot in terms of damage comparison with others in raid, in exchange to buff party slightly (not buffing mdps alot however)

rogue/warrior: slowest rogue, but highest burst potential (not comparing with r/p because i don't know how it is for burst), it overperfoms in slow runs / easily outperforms any mage i met in any type of run

rogue/warden: i didn't play recently, but it was feeling quite weak in slow runs due to missing sustained damage

rogue/scout: i didn't play recently

and have to mention that i don't care about damage of these classes in balton while writing these opinions, everything is about overall damage, not just single target burst.

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loosing 15% pdmg for rogue results in ~22% damage loss (for me^^)

One additional point: I don't think rogue/warrior has highest burst potential. For AOE yes, but single target not. My r/s, r/p, r/wrd, r/wl, r/m and r/ch dealing more single target burst (balton) than r/w. (didn't played r/d for a while)

But r/w is, as you said, probably the best rogue for slow runs and has the best AOE of rogues for me, but the class is even worse than a good mage (let it be mage/ch or mage/s or any other good mage as good as those two) in overall rofl. Maybe the single target burst potential of r/w is better than other rogues, if there are other rogues of which you can leech the bleedings, but this are my experiences and r/w wasn't changed a long time.

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Would someone be so kind and explain me the exact reasons why classes are stronger as others? Why is everyone saying nerf MDD and everyone crying about leather classes, even tho a few rogue classes got a pretty good buff with the energy recharge? I only know my Knight combos, so i would love to know which class is the strongest atm based off ROFL runs and why other classes cant compete with others etc

either pm or ingame, thank you very much!

The energy buff for rogues is for a more fluent game play, not a really strong buff, because with buffs you have also dwarven ale up. Furthermore only r/d, r/p and r/s needs/can use the new buff. r/wrd don't need it.

In my opinion you cannot say "this class is the best". It depends on gameplay, group play, pull style and much more.

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Hi I would like to suggest Ice Blades (ID 490071) for P/S to remove from GCD . It is really useless especially this class has only 1 aoe damage not like other mdps or just add another aoe for this class like changing elite skills 45 / 60 / 70 because they are now mdps class.

And I notice on this class only 1 skill can use focus, Drowning Attack (ID 492397) and has 12 secs cd so there are lot of focus left. If possible to remove the cd of this skill and just add the required focus on this skill.

Thanks For Hard Working devs

I am not ingame atm, but Ice Blades have no cd, right? Removing gcd would result in spammable AOE 5 times a second. Would be to much in my eyes without testing

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Regarding Rogue:

After testing the rotation of several Rogue combinations for a bit, I can attest that Energy issues are pretty severe (except for /W as was already mentioned).

Hence my following suggestion. Change Numbing Dagger (a skill nearly noone ever uses anyway) to

Cursed Blade: "Sap the vitality of your foe causing 400% mainhand weapon dps physical damage to the target and restoring 50 Energy to you." 8 seconds cd and doesn't cause a gcd.

This would be akin to Warlock's Heart Collection Strike and would help sustaining a lot. The Rage sustain issues Warrior and Champion had were addressed long ago, so it would be just fair. If any balancing issues should arise in the aftermath, small corrections can always be applied to the respective secondary classes. Afterall classes should have a somewhat fluent rotation. I can imagine that especially new players who lack elite skills will have a hard time leveling a Rogue.

Regarding Druid/Warrior:

I agree with Midan, looks promising. However, I still suggest removing the gcd of Heart Piercing and adding it to Slash.

The reason for this is that the non gcd ability is used first and having one that costs Rage just feels so clunky to play. Moreover, it would help with Rage sustain quite a bit, since Heart Piercing is used every 1.5 seconds and generates Rage constantly.

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Regarding the Rogue suggestion: I support the idea, but it does not need 400% dps. could be also lower if it does not cause a global cooldown.

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My statement was about rogues in general that they cannot compete with other classes in longer fights than dwarven ale is up

Indeed. And I disagree with this statement (generalization), which I should have made sufficiently clear in my previous posts.

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And btw rogue/k is a dps class, If champions are dps

Yep, R/K without Power of the Lion active is as good a dps as Ch/W with Disassembly Mode active.

If you compare CH/WL with r/p it is not fair comparing CH/w with r/k...

We will see. You have your opinion and some other ppl have an other opinion. That's OK

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But you are comparing a weaker chain class with one of the top rogues

Warrior/CH was an example. Also Warrior/r and Warrior/WL are on top with lower gear.

I also haven't the new ISS yet. And at least the CH/m is stronger than CH/WL.

I understand that some chain classes are not on top, but please understand that you should one of the best chain classes comparing with one of the best rogues. Otherwise we can discuss that r/k is totally useless. Far far away in damage than CH/m while both tanking and even not so tanky in dps gear

P.S.: I tested the chain class for myself with my own rogue. I am not a fan of comparing with other ppl because of reasons

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But isn't balancing about roughly equalizing the strength of all (dps) classes ? Ch/Wl was once top Champion too before getting nerfed. In fact, we have seen many top combinations of their respective class rise and fall. So you would be fine with the R/P nerf if there was a stronger Rogue ? I don't get the logic behind your argumentation.

I'm not saying that they should keep the R/P nerf. But you should understand that taking it away arises the need of buffing many other, weaker, classes.

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If you would read my first statement to the nerf, i said "yes" which means something like "OK". My statement was about rogues in general that they cannot compete with other classes in longer fights than dwarven ale is up

And btw rogue/k is a dps class, If champions are dps

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Heyo ,

Little Suggestion / Wish for Scout/Rogue .

Would it be possible to remove the GCD of Shot and/or Sapping Arrow (491496) ?

This change would make the class rotation more fluent .

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I like the idea for sapping arrow.

But wouldn't recommend such change for Shot. This would be to strong in single target compared to others, because you could always use 3 skills in 1,5 seconds

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Maybe for CH/WL which get a buff. But r/p is atm the strongest rogue in single damage and right behind r/w in aoe. With my t10 Chain gear I did more damage with Warrior/CH for example.

I don't think that Ch/Wl gets a buff. The reduced cd of Indomitable Spirit just counteracts the loss of patk.

Agreed, classes like Warrior/Champion excell at longer fights. But if the R/P nerf is to be reverted, Ch/Wl has to be buffed.

I dislike generalizations, because they have lead to nerfs of all secondary classes, like it could be observed with Champion's Rune Pulse & Imprisonment Pulse ( excluding weapon passive, because several classes got that treatment).

I get that you are upset with W/Ch dealing more damage than your rogue, but please understand that I'm in the same situation when comparing R/P to my Ch/Wl.

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But you are comparing a weaker chain class with one of the top rogues

Warrior/CH was an example. Also Warrior/r and Warrior/WL are on top with lower gear.

I also haven't the new ISS yet. And at least the CH/m is stronger than CH/WL.

I understand that some chain classes are not on top, but please understand that you should one of the best chain classes comparing with one of the best rogues. Otherwise we can discuss that r/k is totally useless. Far far away in damage than CH/m while both tanking and even not so tanky in dps gear

P.S.: I tested the chain class for myself with my own rogue. I am not a fan of comparing with other ppl because of reasons

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Did you also compare yourself to M / S, M / WD, M / CH, CH / M, W / R. In my humble opinion, comparing yourself to one class is not very appropriate.

It is, because both you and Lutine said chain classes are stronger than Rogues in general. As I have stated, this is not true for classes like Ch/Wl.

Maybe for CH/WL which get a buff. But r/p is atm the strongest rogue in single damage and right behind r/w in aoe. With my t10 Chain gear I did more damage with Warrior/CH for example.

regarding rogue/priest change:

• Reduced Patience and Salvation maximum stack to 15 from 20.

Maybe it was the strongest rogue yes.

But for rogues in general: As I tested and saw in the last days after the 30% nerf, the fights lasts longer (no surprise ) and this brought the main problem of rogues to the light.

In general rogues cannot compare in whole RoFL with Chain dps or mdps classes. Maybe except rogue/Warrior because of his aoe.

With way better gear (2-3 Tiers), better cenedrils and other things I have more, I just manage to compete with mdps classes in longer RoFL runs now (even if it is only 5 minutes longer than before).

The main problem of most rogues is the energy. You cannot regenerate it like warriors with attacks or have an endless alternative skill like other classes like mdps or scouts. Practically if you ran out of energy, you need to wait 4 seconds to use a skill again, because you regenrate only every 2 seconds a few energy. With Rogue/warden for example you have a mana based Skill next to your Charged Chop. But rogue/priest, rogue/Druid, rogue/mage, rogue/WL haven't an alternative skill. Even with Rogue/warrior and rogue/CH you run out of both resources in long fights. But with Rogue/Warrior it is nearly never a problem (good elite skills, thx for it)

But the other rogues are only decoration in the group without energy (need to test r/CH after next patch).

This is just my opinion based on playstyle of rogues and chain classes in the last days and comparing it with mdps and other chain classes ( I know chain will be nerfed. But longer fights -> worse for rogues xd )

What feelings have other rogue players?

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What is (in your opinion) the "strongest" healer class? Because for me, and I agree with Zyrex on that one, its not the class with the highest heal output (let's be honest here, every heal combi heals more than any dps has life with a single spell xD). The "strongest" heal, imho, is a heal from which the raid benefits the most. So if you have,e.g., a lot of dps, who have skills with %-Mana, P/M is without a doubt one of the strongest priests you can play.

And if, and that is just my personal opinion, the amount a heal heals matters, than your simply not ready to run a new instance because ANYONE can heal rofl solo with ANY combination and red gear (no gold gear, no t18 weapon, no t13-14 gear, just simple t8-t10 red gear, because thats what I use).

If believe, hope, that it will effect only the caster because right now some benefits of "Frost Halo" also only affect the caster (rising tide e.g.). If that is not the case...please change it xD becaue it would be way to op if this'll affect the whole group/raid.

Edit: It was just changed that its only the owner

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You didn’t understand what i wrote. We can’t compare anything if RoFL is the highest ini because you don’t even need so much heal. When your dds kill all mobs in few seconds they can’t even use their dots. The strongest HEALER heal the strongest so the strongest healer is d/p, p/d and p/s. P/M is definetely more supportive healer with less healing potential. I understand your point of view but even p/m needs changes to make him stronger in healing. I really hope we will get harder ini because it’s really disapointing when healer without any AoE healing elite skill can heal ini solo, isn’t it?

PS: Damage has been reduced about 30% maybe healing should be reduced too?

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Regarding healing reduce: you shouldn't forget lower characters with lower gear/stats. For example inferno is designed to heal with tikal gear and gorge to heal with half-half tikal/inferno Gear. With those gears you have way less bonus healing points and wisdom. The healing output will be very low comparing with rofl parties. If you reduce healing output in general, you will reduce it for all.

But: the main problem with to much heal is, that healer will heal in every instance the same. It's not like with dps where you fight against the def of trash/bosses. So practically you can build one healer gear now and it is enough for the next 10 contents.

If you think about healer balancing, I would think about a not visible nerf of heal output or Bonus healing/wisdom for each instance. The higher the instance, the higher the nerf. Like the def of bosses/trash increase with each instance.

Kind regards

Scouts have 2 seconds CD on Wind Arrow with crossbow. With bow you have 1 second CD. This was mentioned in a patch note but it's missing in skill description.