Housing Rework [Patch 10.7.0.1000]

    I have a question regarding latest change


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    Reduced house energy amounts for opening and keeping furniture slots drastically.

    I think its nice that you reduce the costs for players who have more than 280 slots of furniture.


    But increasing the amount for players with less slots this much is just overkill. Before the patch I payed ~200-300 Energy/ day (don't know the exact values) for 183 slots. Now I have to pay 5k/day. Seems like a little overkill.


    Please reconsider this change or at least tune the costs down.


    Greetings.

    Same problem here, RN after the changes the House Energy i need to pay every day is 6k... This is more than overkill and i hope this will get changed soon since otherwhise i will definitly need to shorten my well decorated house Q.Q

    Well the thing is house energy isnt sth that should be needed so much tbh, all the furniture and stuff already is pretty expensive and having to now buy A LOT of house energy to keep up all the slots will lead into less players using the feature at all since most likely no one wants to pay thousends of diamonds to keep the furniture every month. This should be fixed and prices should get lowered again. 17k a day is 510k a month equal to 1.7k diamonds every month for keeping dekoration so 20k dias every year jsut for keeping slots XD Thats crazy if we see that without a promo that equals 100 euro for keeping dekoration on spot xD its like paying rent ingame did not know we have rl simulator in housing now xD (legit this equals rent in some countries if we consider that 100 euro is a lot for people outside eu)


    Edit : its good that they improved it for lower amount of slots but overall the cost got increased by a lot it seems so yeah thats the big problem here

    • Official Post

    We noticed that some aspects related to House content were more expensive than we would like to. We are working now on a longer plan to drastically reduce the prices so, the last patch was only the beginning of the new improvements. All the changes always have a reason behind and listening to the community is important for us.


    The example you mention: to have 17k as daily cost now means that it was +38k before the patch, which is a 55% discount.


    Let me give some points on how we want to proceed:

    1. The first 200 slots. They still had an old price which was not in concordance with our actual Housing system. These prices lead to people stopping once reaching 200 slots and never interacting with any of the new features we keep adding. Now the price is lineal and doesn’t have big jumps that could scare the players.
    2. From 300 to 1000 slots, the daily cost prices got around 55% discount. The slot unlock cost is also 71% cheaper. We think this will allow the biggest majority of the players to have the chance to play with the system and create bigger houses that fulfill their wishes.
    3. Maximum slot number is now 2.000 and its price is still lower than the old 1.000 cap. Hardcore players have the opportunity to use all the possible space, paying less than before.
    4. We are reducing the price of furniture in the store so it's easier for everyone to get them. Some were already reduced on the last patch and the rest will come over the next patches.
    5. Arcadia Coins are now included as a possible currency to buy furniture.
    6. We are planning more ways to obtain House Energy in the future and not only from diamonds. Like this, we think that the increase of costs in the first 200 slots won't be a big problem for those who were enjoying the old almost free price.

    We will give more information once we collect all the feedback and progress with our changes.

    Quote from Rand

    From 300 to 1000 slots, the daily cost prices got around 55% discount. The slot unlock cost is also 71% cheaper. We think this will allow the biggest majority of the players to have the chance to play with the system and create bigger houses that fulfill their wishes.

    And now please an example how much more you pay let's say for 180 slots like mentioned above :)

    I know that the 17k example that was shown by Zyrex already is way cheaper for him now than it was before and I appreciate the approach but still it's way to high and as Lutine,Laisha And I mentioned the cost for lower slots got way higher so bad trade of for most players since majority of players now pays way more than before therefore we ask for a change and a reduction. Therefore people won't go higher than 200 regardless the change XD

    I mean what we actively said was up to around 200-250 slots the price exploded even tho the price curve got smoother for more slots the initial cost got higher what is a problem for us to explain in better. So in order to make it as it was before the price begin would need to be adjusted so if 2000 now is new limit instead of 1000 curve needs to be adjusted I a way that the price from 200 slots now goes into a direction of what 500-800 slots would look like (just a example of what I would think would be accurate if you want people to use the system correctly without having to pay so much for lower slots )


    Btw I apologize for tipping mistakes my phone sometimes is living a other live with auto correction e.e

    • Official Post
    Quote from xLutinex

    And now please an example how much more you pay let's say for 180 slots like mentioned above :)

    As I mentioned in my post, the prices players were paying under 200 slots were almost free. Barely 1-2 diamond per day. Those prices were not updated in our first big Houses patch some years ago and it was something in our to-do list for a long time. For your 180 slots example we went from 1.7 diamonds to 12.7 diamonds per day.


    Quote from Yukki

    I mean what we actively said was up to around 200-250 slots the price exploded even tho the price curve got smoother for more slots the initial cost got higher what is a problem for us to explain in better. So in order to make it as it was before the price begin would need to be adjusted so if 2000 now is new limit instead of 1000 curve needs to be adjusted I a way that the price from 200 slots now goes into a direction of what 500-800 slots would look like (just a example of what I would think would be accurate if you want people to use the system correctly without having to pay so much for lower slots )

    The curve was already modified to be smother. What you propose can't be done. There is no way to compete in any new diamonds offer price if the original you are talking about was close to 0. This price was not normal and now it got fixed. That being said, we understand that for those with smaller houses/number of slots this can be a big change. For that reason (as I said also in my last post) we are creating new f2p ways to obtain House Energy so the need to pay diamonds can be reduced/removed. Please, be patient and wait for the next changes.

    Quote from Rand
    Quote from xLutinex

    And now please an example how much more you pay let's say for 180 slots like mentioned above :)

    As I mentioned in my post, the prices players were paying under 200 slots were almost free. Barely 1-2 diamond per day. Those prices were not updated in our first big Houses patch some years ago and it was something in our to-do list for a long time. For your 180 slots example we went from 1.7 diamonds to 12.7 diamonds per day.


    Quote from Yukki

    I mean what we actively said was up to around 200-250 slots the price exploded even tho the price curve got smoother for more slots the initial cost got higher what is a problem for us to explain in better. So in order to make it as it was before the price begin would need to be adjusted so if 2000 now is new limit instead of 1000 curve needs to be adjusted I a way that the price from 200 slots now goes into a direction of what 500-800 slots would look like (just a example of what I would think would be accurate if you want people to use the system correctly without having to pay so much for lower slots )

    The curve was already modified to be smother. What you propose can't be done. There is no way to compete in any new diamonds offer price if the original you are talking about was close to 0. This price was not normal and now it got fixed. That being said, we understand that for those with smaller houses/number of slots this can be a big change. For that reason (as I said also in my last post) we are creating new f2p ways to obtain House Energy so the need to pay diamonds can be reduced/removed. Please, be patient and wait for the next changes.

    I am looking forward to those f2p ways we gonna see if it will work out,- I hope those will be introduced soon tho since its always a interessting experience to see how systems get changed and get more expensive while the f2p ways get introduced later at some point while the cost things are always there instantly ^^

    Because basically what you said was lower slots had old cheap system we fixed that it was cheap LOL while we also lowered cost for more slots ( most likely only nice for 2-3 people that had that amount of deco but still nice change for those while not a nice change for majority of players because those 99% need to pay more than 10x the price from before like u said before 1 is now 12 uwu.


    (You said that you dont want to scare players with big jumps but i consider that players get scared of houing way more if they see the higher price from the beginn,- before players got scared around 180-200 slots while having to pay 300-400 now this peak is here way earlier XD)


    Also if plans are there to add f2p ways to get cost around zero as you say how cant it be directly implemented into housing for lower slots :D Wouldnt hurt i guess but i understand that that would not fit in curve for some reason i mean the question that i have in my head is is house energy supposed to be expensive or not ? and further should it be expensive to keep decoration in place or not ? Since i guess more people would decorate house without the cost from housing energy and would buy more deko from shop in the next step but thats just my way of thinking i might be wrong here.


    Or in other words why do we need to add new f2p ways to gain house energy because it got more expensive instead of jsut lowering cost of house energy while keeping prices for dekorations same since its decison of player how much and if they want to buy cheap/medium/expensive furniture ???

    Because house energy cost needs to be paid from every player while its hard to interact with it as a player if you want to decorate while buying furniture and deko can be interacted with way easier.


    In short:

    Lower cost = more creativity and more players get encouraged to build beautiful houses

    Higher cost = lower creatifity and lower players get encouraged to build houses because house energy for low amount of slots now is through the roof. W.W


    RL example if you bought a 180 balls of ice cream for 180 euro and someone tells you that you would now need to pay 1800 euro because curve got fixed people wont be happy but at the same page you tell them BUT if you buy 600 ice cream balls the price will be way lower than it was before uwu


    Some fun fact about my House i paied around 70-80k dias for my house if i remember correctly already because of furniture this is a lot and i even think it would make seense to lower prices in generell since i highly doubt that there are a lot of players that spend that much or want to spend that amount as i can see from rankings aswell and what should i say other than that that is around 240 slots of furniure ^^


    Greetings Miraiyu ^^

    Quote from Rand

    The curve was already modified to be smother. What you propose can't be done. There is no way to compete in any new diamonds offer price if the original you are talking about was close to 0. This price was not normal and now it got fixed. That being said, we understand that for those with smaller houses/number of slots this can be a big change. For that reason (as I said also in my last post) we are creating new f2p ways to obtain House Energy so the need to pay diamonds can be reduced/removed. Please, be patient and wait for the next changes.

    So the orange one is the old and blue the new one? I don't remember what I paid before for my 650 slots, but I think it was around 15€ per month and now it's...

    ...7.58€ without promo :/


    I found a screenshot of my former house energy cost (with a few less furnitures):

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    And this was the energy price from 1 year ago:

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    So I think it's more or less halved now, which is a huge win :thumbup: Thanks a lot for that, will make my life much easier <3

    • Official Post

    Hello,


    With today's patch following changes were made, which should help many players who aren't purchasing highest possible house energy option bundle, which were cheapest one. Now prices on small options dropped even by 50%.


    • Reduced diamonds prices for smaller options of house energy.
    • Added 1000 house energy option for diamonds through house frame.
    • Added option to buy limited amounts of House Energy per day for different currencies from housemaid outside house.

    Also it is planned that housemaid will sell house energy in future for more currencies. Also house energy might appear in various rewards around game activities plus inside house itself with further furniture/building changes planned near end of year. It is welcome to share your ideas on other places where house energy could be obtained to make it wider available without high spending cost or to allow you to increase amount of furnitures in your house with low effort.


    We will be also considering changes around way how energy is consumed, but to be discussed, therefore I can not share details yet, to ensure it ends up in better scenario for most of players.


    Greetings