D/R with a little bit of above-overage crit is probably only slightly worse than the best single target magic class, the M/WL.
The what now? Pretty sure Warlocks are good in burst and lets not speak about our 2 mdps scouts.
I'm not saying they aren't, in any way shape or form. I should have made myself clearer that I specifically mean in a standalone scenario (like jeraths organs). I've not seen any other class than the m/wl kill nearly three full organs. :3 Sorry for the inaccuracy.
Display MoreI think they should boost the dr/r also to a similar dmg lvl like a mage, maybe only 10% less. Its also possible to take a mage with a heal secclass and you will be an offheal with full magedmg (m/dr) (m/pr). The utilities are limited. You only can do 1 thing at the same time, you need to choose between heal or full dmg. if you cast a heal spell you cant cast a dmg skill at the same time, only the regeneration is possible at the same time. It´s cool that you can swap between this 2 things but if you dont statted with wis and extra healnonstats the heal is smth like 5 times less than a mainheal. i think 70% less of a mage is to less 10% or 15% because of this yes but not 30%.
Die Klasse ist komplett basierend auf Glück. Wenn du jetzt Schaden draufpackst, hast du nachwievor das Problem, dass nicht-critten deutlich mehr schaden kostet als sogar auf jeder anderen Klasse. d/r mit etwas Kritglück ist im Einzelziel vielleicht minimal schlechter als der Magier/Hexer, die vmtl. stärkste, magische Einzelklasse die es gibt. Mehr Schaden bringt's da nicht. Mehr crit, bringt da deutlich mehr.
Dazu kommt leider noch, dass du als D/R inhärent support mitbringst einfach weil du ein Druide bist - etwas das die Power ohne weiteres ausgleicht. Ein Mini-Zwergenbier alle paar Sekunden boosted jede Klasse enorm, keine Ausnahme. Dein Heiler könnte auf einen WL/D oder einen WD/P wechseln um mehr support in die Gruppe(n) zu bringen, da die Druidenbuffs bereits vorhanden sind. In diesen Kombinationen sollte der DPS der gesamten Gruppe deutlich steigen - klar bist du dann im direktvergleich immernoch unter den anderen DDs, jedoch ist der Anstieg der Gesamtgruppe mehr als genug um das auszugleichen.
Balancing ist nicht nur ein Vergleich von Damage - und der D/R ist alles in allem gut gebalanced, da er Support, notfalls etwas Heilung und Schaden zugleich bringt.Es ist ein bisschen so wie ein Abendessen mit Freunden: einer bringt den Braten, der andere die Knödel und du die Sauce. Joah, der Braten ist an sich geil, die Knödel auch. Sauce alleine würde aber keiner Essen - macht aber alles andere um sich herum besser ohne der Star der Show zu sein.
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The class is balanced around luck. Adding more damage will not fix the randomness problem, where a non crit takes off much more damage than other classes. D/R with a little bit of above-overage crit is probably only slightly worse than the best single target magic class, the M/WL. More damage doesn't fix the "issue". More crit would.
In addition, the D/R has inherent supporting potential simply from being a druid. This alone would bridge the power gap, as the mini-ale you give your party brings much more damage to your party than another class could. Your heal can swap into a more supportive class (WL/D or WD/P) for that extra damage. Of course, the direct comparison will show you're still "weaker" than other classes, but you bring so much to the table that removing that class from the party not a good idea.
Balancing isn't just comparing numbers. D/R is pretty well balanced as the class is a bit of a jack of all traits while still dealing passable damage. I'm not going to translate my german analogy, it was cringe enough the first time you read it, regardless of understanding it or not.
I´m hungry now.
If you are already satisfied its ok. I prefer to do a constant dmg with a class. a little bit depends on critluck is ok but not a lot of vary because of it. so there is the possibility to give a only critluckskill for 5 sec and take a little bit of the weapondmg at this time. dmg wont explode if you take the weapondmg but idn the d/r good enough to say it exactly. but it sounds like you are already satisfied so maybe the class dont need any changes.
und werzur Hölle bringt denn Knödel zu einer Party mit ? 
I don't know how good d/r is atm. But, IF it is to weak, an elite skill could be changed and modify a rogue skill like on p/r. Attack speed is useless for mdps, but additional cast speed could be an option
I keep reading druids dps are a good "offheal". Because it can res? Cmon. The only druid dps that heals while doing dps is the physical one. Mdps DO NOT heal! Stop saying that.
Warlocks can res. D/W can res and also heal. I didnt see any complains because they are real dps and also can res. When it comes to mdps druid, oh it can res! Can't be a real dps! That's a joke.
The only sup thing one of these druids have is the mini ale and for most mdps it's useless. I guess is good for some pdps? Idk. Even m/r or r/ch are way better in supporting than this buff and both are super op dps.
So for d/r: increase sup potential or dps part. At the end you are not necessary in any of them.
For d/wl: It has no sup skills. It is supposed to be a dps but, is not good at all.
D/M: what happened with this one? Balance started but it didn't go anywhere.
why mage and healers dont lose dura when they use skills ? u change only scout -_-
not funny
D/M: what happened with this one? Balance started but it didn't go anywhere.
Just give this back to the heal players xD
D/M: what happened with this one? Balance started but it didn't go anywhere.
Just give this back to the heal players xD
As long as dr and dwl are good, I don't mind 
In my opinion, in order for the combination of R/Wrl to be equalized with others, he should get some area skill. I would like the double throw skill to be more used, maybe change some elite skill so that the double throw does not have a global cooldown and works like a reflected shot within 80 range? You would probably have to reduce the cooldown time of this skill, but that's all for testing. I think it would be a nice change 
Hey there ,
im a bit concerned about the upcoming/planned nerf to Scout/Warden.
As the current state of the game is S/Wrd always really shined in Aoe Burst situations imo and was / is outclased in more or less every other scenario. Entling Offering is the "bread and butter" of the Class ( +- 30%* overall dmg comes from it , when looking at a whole ini).
With the now upcoming nerf the Aoe burst would take a pretty big Hit ( every other aspect of running ini of course also but i think this is where the nerf hits the hardest).
You do the main damage in burst with Hurricane Downpour to trigger as much Entling offering as possible . The problem will then be that ( assuming you hit 15 or more mobs , what is in 9/10 scenarios the case ) after 1 Round of the 5 Hits Hurricane Downpour does , Entling offering will go on cooldown. So you will miss 4x15* 60* Entling offering hits .With each hit making around 2-5kk* dmg ?! So you loose a big portion of your damage .
(*the numbers of course vary heavy on many different factors , just took a middle value to make my point)
My suggestion would be to increase the Hit amount entling offering does before it goes into cooldown to 30 for now and then see how it performs (15 being most definitly too low)
Greetings
I have a new idea for Warlock:
-Remove the gcd trigger from Beasthowl(id: 495847)
This would make the Aoe rotation feel so much fluent. It also really helps players tat actually tank with the class.
~kind regards Noodlez
Hi,
Regarding rogue/Champ
Confusion Mechanism still spot the target sometimes. Couldn't find out in which circumstances.
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Hello. Thanks for sharing the planned class changes.
I have note to change to s / m. Currently adding a slight buff to the physical skill "incinerate" ID 1491046 from 160% to 175% should really blur the imbalance between the magic and the physical connection.
I am afraid of changes to s / wd, I would rather reduce the damage I receive from 50% to 42%. The mechanic itself works very well on other classes, and adding recharge time here can break that connection.
I would ask you to rebuild s / k, it is currently hard to play on this connection.
S / ch, I would change the range of the skill ID 490420 from 50 to 150.
Give some love to S/ch ,it need just litle more power other then that its rly balanced aoe/burst ,but just need litle more power and as i rember you dont want to change range of Joint Blow ,but it would be rly great if you change your mind
I agree with the slight s / ch buff but increasing the range is essential.
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I am not sure what the intentions with the recent "buff" to s/r where as it is how it is right now , useless .
The dmg you get from the buff is close to nothing and it is 100% not worth to use it anywhere as you are well off to skip this and just use your normal rota.
The biggest problem S/r currently has in terms of competing with other Classes is his single target damage where he heavily looses . As it is currently in singletarget burst ( balton for example) you have to use 2 Buffs/debuffs (exploiting shot and sapping arrow) on the boss that both trigger a GCD and where one of it is dependent on that your shot crits before you can/should use your strongest Skill, Snipe, with vampire arrow after it making it 3 debuffs for the Boss.
With the latest patch you added a 4th Buff you can only use /trigger with hitting a mob/boss ( besides that the dmg gain is close to nothing ).So 9/10 times when u have a half decent Group the Boss will be dead or close to being to when you can finally start to do damage.
Please change Exploiting Shot (492916) to a selfbuff that provides weapon damage with the same uptime (20 seconds ) and a 90-120 seconds cooldown . Also please remove the GCD of Sapping Arrow(491496).
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I want to support this idea.
Or another solution would be to do not dependent on critical hit with Exploiting Shot. Same mechanic change were also done with m/wl
I've been trying m/ch in rofl again. I remembered the class was good. It was a fantasy xD. Class used to have 0 (literally) single dmg in exchange of op aoes, and I was ok with that. One good part and the other terrible, no class can be good in everything.
Comparing to r/ch, r/wd, s/wd, s/d, w/r, w/d, ch/wl and many others... what happened? I can't beat anyone in aoes anymore. Even as sustain some are way better than this class. Ofc they all have x2 (minimum) of my single dmg, no question on that.
Are all those classes broken? mch became a shame? I'm not really sure.
I've been trying m/ch in rofl again. I remembered the class was good. It was a fantasy xD. Class used to have 0 (literally) single dmg in exchange of op aoes, and I was ok with that. One good part and the other terrible, no class can be good in everything.
Comparing to r/ch, r/wd, s/wd, s/d, w/r, w/d, ch/wl and many others... what happened? I can't beat anyone in aoes anymore. Even as sustain some are way better than this class. Ofc they all have x2 (minimum) of my single dmg, no question on that.
Are all those classes broken? mch became a shame? I'm not really sure.
I remembered the same, that m/ch has a very strong AOE. You didn't had a bad day? Tank pulled very unfriendly for mage?( only single mobs xD) or something like that? Seems weird if mage/ch does not even out-dps in sustain aoe
I've been trying m/ch in rofl again. I remembered the class was good. It was a fantasy xD. Class used to have 0 (literally) single dmg in exchange of op aoes, and I was ok with that. One good part and the other terrible, no class can be good in everything.
Comparing to r/ch, r/wd, s/wd, s/d, w/r, w/d, ch/wl and many others... what happened? I can't beat anyone in aoes anymore. Even as sustain some are way better than this class. Ofc they all have x2 (minimum) of my single dmg, no question on that.
Are all those classes broken? mch became a shame? I'm not really sure.
I remembered the same, that m/ch has a very strong AOE. You didn't had a bad day? Tank pulled very unfriendly for mage?( only single mobs xD) or something like that? Seems weird if mage/ch does not even out-dps in sustain aoe
Idk was weird, b2 mobs and lake was perfect for me, all went flawless and I was 3-4 in dmg I gotta try again, maybe I was super unlucky idk 
Actually i guess we dont need to talk about that some classes are completly broken. But just keep in mind. As R/Wd you are allowed to do dmg, while other ppl still are running and try to get position well. You cant beat a good R/Wd with same gear/support when he know what he do in trashes or trash pulls or its alteast hard. In MY opinion.
Sadly, you just compare with strong Pdps classes.. Pls compare it with some xxxx Magical classes. Like M/Kn or S/M (magical one)..
As i remember, m/ch was still viable and we got some players in our guild who played this class pretty well, and perform really good in overall dmg. And Always look what Support your pdps had.. I mean if it is like S/Pr, full sw titles its really hard to keep up with as an non meta class. Cuz you do not benefit that much from those buffs as mage.
S/dr, Ch/wl - Still to OP ofc. R/Wd, R/Ch is ok and there are mage classes who can beat him easy. I dont know about Warrior classes, but they looked ok. Atleast the one you called.
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Display MoreActually i guess we dont need to talk about that some classes are completly broken. But just keep in mind. As R/Wd you are allowed to do dmg, while other ppl still are running and try to get position well. You cant beat a good R/Wd with same gear/support when he know what he do in trashes or trash pulls or its alteast hard. In MY opinion.
Sadly, you just compare with strong Pdps classes.. Pls compare it with some xxxx Magical classes. Like M/Kn or S/M (magical one)..
As i remember, m/ch was still viable and we got some players in our guild who played this class pretty well, and perform really good in overall dmg. And Always look what Support your pdps had.. I mean if it is like S/Pr, full sw titles its really hard to keep up with as an non meta class. Cuz you do not benefit that much from those buffs as mage.
S/dr, Ch/wl - Still to OP ofc. R/Wd, R/Ch is ok and there are mage classes who can beat him easy. I dont know about Warrior classes, but they looked ok. Atleast the one you called.
Greetings
Hmm I never run with any other mdps, all partys have only pdps so use other mdps class to compare would be only theoretical and not in same conditions for me. M/ch is better than d/wl if thats ok for you
- M/K: Does not have good aoe anymore (burst atleast, b2 mobs and lake which is my whole post). Last patch got huge nerf on it so can't compare anymore.
This being said, I can only compare with other pdps I see in partys which are the list I said above. Now you are saying I can't compare my non-meta mage with any of the pdps because most of them are strong/op/broken? Well,I don't see anyone asking for nerfs here if they are that strong.
M/ch only purpose is aoe, it should have the strongest aoe in all mages and also should have one of the strongest in all pdps due to it being useless in balton, astaroth and any single dmg situation. So sorry but no, pdps having better aoe than this class (supports or not supports) when all the list I gave have incredibly good single burst in balton/astaroth doesn't seem fair to me. I guess people won't have the usual excuse of "this is a support class, dmg is enough".
But thats my opinion tho.
Display MoreDisplay MoreActually i guess we dont need to talk about that some classes are completly broken. But just keep in mind. As R/Wd you are allowed to do dmg, while other ppl still are running and try to get position well. You cant beat a good R/Wd with same gear/support when he know what he do in trashes or trash pulls or its alteast hard. In MY opinion.
Sadly, you just compare with strong Pdps classes.. Pls compare it with some xxxx Magical classes. Like M/Kn or S/M (magical one)..
As i remember, m/ch was still viable and we got some players in our guild who played this class pretty well, and perform really good in overall dmg. And Always look what Support your pdps had.. I mean if it is like S/Pr, full sw titles its really hard to keep up with as an non meta class. Cuz you do not benefit that much from those buffs as mage.
S/dr, Ch/wl - Still to OP ofc. R/Wd, R/Ch is ok and there are mage classes who can beat him easy. I dont know about Warrior classes, but they looked ok. Atleast the one you called.
Greetings
Hmm I never run with any other mdps, all partys have only pdps so use other mdps class to compare would be only theoretical and not in same conditions for me. M/ch is better than d/wl if thats ok for you
- M/K: Does not have good aoe anymore (burst atleast, b2 mobs and lake which is my whole post). Last patch got huge nerf on it so can't compare anymore.
This being said, I can only compare with other pdps I see in partys which are the list I said above. Now you are saying I can't compare my non-meta mage with any of the pdps because most of them are strong/op/broken? Well,I don't see anyone asking for nerfs here if they are that strong.
M/ch only purpose is aoe, it should have the strongest aoe in all mages and also should have one of the strongest in all pdps due to it being useless in balton, astaroth and any single dmg situation. So sorry but no, pdps having better aoe than this class (supports or not supports) when all the list I gave have incredibly good single burst in balton/astaroth doesn't seem fair to me. I guess people won't have the usual excuse of "this is a support class, dmg is enough".
But thats my opinion tho.
M/k is one of the strongest mages and his aoe is so powerful, maybe you should rethink your play style.
M/k is one of the strongest mages and his aoe is so powerful, maybe you should rethink your play style.
Thank you for your suggestion.
Display MoreDisplay MoreHmm I never run with any other mdps, all partys have only pdps so use other mdps class to compare would be only theoretical and not in same conditions for me. M/ch is better than d/wl if thats ok for you
- M/K: Does not have good aoe anymore (burst atleast, b2 mobs and lake which is my whole post). Last patch got huge nerf on it so can't compare anymore.
This being said, I can only compare with other pdps I see in partys which are the list I said above. Now you are saying I can't compare my non-meta mage with any of the pdps because most of them are strong/op/broken? Well,I don't see anyone asking for nerfs here if they are that strong.
M/ch only purpose is aoe, it should have the strongest aoe in all mages and also should have one of the strongest in all pdps due to it being useless in balton, astaroth and any single dmg situation. So sorry but no, pdps having better aoe than this class (supports or not supports) when all the list I gave have incredibly good single burst in balton/astaroth doesn't seem fair to me. I guess people won't have the usual excuse of "this is a support class, dmg is enough".
But thats my opinion tho.
M/k is one of the strongest mages and his aoe is so powerful, maybe you should rethink your play style.
I can confirm, that m/k is one of the strongest AOE classes and as a leather class it's nearly impossible to reach that aoe dmg of m/k
Display MoreDisplay MoreActually i guess we dont need to talk about that some classes are completly broken. But just keep in mind. As R/Wd you are allowed to do dmg, while other ppl still are running and try to get position well. You cant beat a good R/Wd with same gear/support when he know what he do in trashes or trash pulls or its alteast hard. In MY opinion.
Sadly, you just compare with strong Pdps classes.. Pls compare it with some xxxx Magical classes. Like M/Kn or S/M (magical one)..
As i remember, m/ch was still viable and we got some players in our guild who played this class pretty well, and perform really good in overall dmg. And Always look what Support your pdps had.. I mean if it is like S/Pr, full sw titles its really hard to keep up with as an non meta class. Cuz you do not benefit that much from those buffs as mage.
S/dr, Ch/wl - Still to OP ofc. R/Wd, R/Ch is ok and there are mage classes who can beat him easy. I dont know about Warrior classes, but they looked ok. Atleast the one you called.
Greetings
Hmm I never run with any other mdps, all partys have only pdps so use other mdps class to compare would be only theoretical and not in same conditions for me. M/ch is better than d/wl if thats ok for you
- M/K: Does not have good aoe anymore (burst atleast, b2 mobs and lake which is my whole post). Last patch got huge nerf on it so can't compare anymore.
This being said, I can only compare with other pdps I see in partys which are the list I said above. Now you are saying I can't compare my non-meta mage with any of the pdps because most of them are strong/op/broken? Well,I don't see anyone asking for nerfs here if they are that strong.
M/ch only purpose is aoe, it should have the strongest aoe in all mages and also should have one of the strongest in all pdps due to it being useless in balton, astaroth and any single dmg situation. So sorry but no, pdps having better aoe than this class (supports or not supports) when all the list I gave have incredibly good single burst in balton/astaroth doesn't seem fair to me. I guess people won't have the usual excuse of "this is a support class, dmg is enough".
But thats my opinion tho.
It seems to me that we play on two different servers after what you write about M / K. On a full flight of the Kingdom of Forgotten Legends it is impossible to catch up with M / K on my R / Ch. And this is one of the Rogue's strongest connections
Since s / wd gets a nerf and is still not able to race with m / k, I propose a light nerf also on m / k, especially on aoe.
