Class Balance [Patch 10.2.1.1000] & Bard

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Cool, I'm playing a different game again than most others \o/

Assuming the devs balance around dc AND idk, some changes really make sense imo. So let's enter my different game for a second and simulate as we all would play on the same server... Here we go...

A) Warlocks were stronger than every mage before the patch, but mages were better in every 6 man content, so I assume the nerf of both was reasonable

B) Some specific (very much) overpowered classes, such as Ch/B and Wl/S were nerfed additionally, perfect

C) S/M was nerfed aa few patches ago (lost 5% matt and got little xbow magic damage instead), the class feels like an average mdps these days to me. Nothing really broken, but equal to a bard/mage with just different advantages and disadvantages, but overall same damage.

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You could actually play M/K in there, which was rlly cool too. I'm curious if it's still viable, since I focused on op m/s and warlocks for the last weeks in dc. M/Ch has a shitty matt but is the very best mdps class in IDK imo. In DC it wasn't as bad, too and gave decent support to Ch/B (the same way a S/M supports B/M)...

E) I was testing the Wl/S on dummy yesterday and compared with my past parses. And (excluding the dummy circumstances) turned out it lost like 5.5% damage output overall. Damn, that's a huge impact! Wl/Ch didn't feel any change at all, the 5% feel like the normal variance while parsing (parses differ between +-2-5% normally).

F) Mages on the other hand, feel much weaker through the same 5% nerf. My M/S lost like 20% (should be less in real instance, would assume like 12-15%), M/Ch lost 11% compared to my parses from 3 days ago. So yea I agree, mages need a boost soon to be fine again.

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Can you back that up with numbers/setups maybe? I did around 25 DC- and 15 Idk-runs with mage in the last couple of weeks and it felt really strong. The couple i did on wl felt awful. But i have a very old gear and maybe i am doing something wrong on the wl classes. Furthermore i personally dont think doing rotations on dummies helps at all. Its always about the raid setups and generally most played classes.

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I would like to do 2-3 runs with you. Maybe I don't understand something... But mages are simply insignificant compared to the best combinations, they simply lack attack. I went to DC as mr, mch, mk, mwl, md and all this is much worse than the same sm even before the nerf. But I am also 100% sure that you are one of the strongest mages here (namely mages). And only one thought appears: there is no dps left in LL - which is also absolute absurdity... GO DC honey

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Can you back that up with numbers/setups maybe? I did around 25 DC- and 15 Idk-runs with mage in the last couple of weeks and it felt really strong. The couple i did on wl felt awful. But i have a very old gear and maybe i am doing something wrong on the wl classes. Furthermore i personally dont think doing rotations on dummies helps at all. Its always about the raid setups and generally most played classes.

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I would like to do 2-3 runs with you. Maybe I don't understand something... But mages are simply insignificant compared to the best combinations, they simply lack attack. I went to DC as mr, mch, mk, mwl, md and all this is much worse than the same sm even before the nerf. But I am also 100% sure that you are one of the strongest mages here (namely mages). And only one thought appears: there is no dps left in LL - which is also absolute absurdity... GO DC honey

But you saying sm is the same i tried to say. Pre patch MDPS ranking was like this from my experience:

1) Champ/Bard

2) S/M

3) M/S or M/R

buff all mdps and problems solved

Hello

a question. why was champ bard so nerfed as a tank? It was a good option to tank with mage gear.

Pls fix it

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Too much to say and compare. Luckily, my mates have good equipment and a high level of gameplay. But I will touch everything with strokes and it will become clear to you why I asked the question in the paragraph above:

1) You're making changes to rogues, but no change to the apparently necessary dps increase for various rogue combos. Some combos are completely forgotten.

2) You take 10% dps from the mage, which is impossible to play in endgame instances (except m/s PS if someone decides to mention m/ch or m/r, then come to the dungeon and prove it to me in comparison with me). I will not even talk about the latest "boost" of m/p type connections. And we still remember "-26% intelligence". At the same time, such bundles as s/m, ch/b (mentioned by Noodlez), s/wl and the most juicy for a raid instance wl/d remain untouched. I still don't understand what you are balancing.

3) Warlocks: I don't really understand the 11% elemental damage (dark) nerf. If we're talking about a Warlock/Scout, it's completely fair (obviously stronger than other Warlocks). Buuut, wait. Wl/s gets a minus 11% from the main skill, and the increase in dark damage from Blood Arrow is reduced to 11.4% from 22.8% (another minus 11.4). Perhaps (but you have to try), maybe this is true when it comes to a warlock / scout. But why did all the other warlocks suffer? Maybe someone knows more, I would very much like to talk with this player.

4) if you need scout advice just ask Cruvor, Ramer, Lutine. This is because scouts also need balance. I'm not talking about boosting or nerfing combos, but the balance between them. It seems to me that starting with this, we can then talk about the balance of classes. And where is the much-awaited new skill?

5) Chain ... I can't comment here because I haven't played with this type of equipment.

But I can say very exaggerated at the moment chain=cloth>leather (in general).

oh yes... Of course, I appreciate the endgame ini (which rofl is no longer for me, for example)

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Just to make it clear, once again, nerf is 5%, not 10% or 11% for neither of classes.

Greetings

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Just to make it clear, once again, mages and warlocks arent the strongest dps classes even for mdpses

I want to thank to mdps players ,now when i see how they cant decide wich mdps is best i feel rly good bcs leather users dont have that problem ,all leather sucks ,some more and some less ,but all sucks compare to mdps and chain

You should have deleted mage/scout's pet instead because it deals no damage now. After this patch pet has like 10% less magical attack and 60% less magical damage. All you had to do was to give pet a debuff like what you did to warden pets (-10% magical attack would be enough) . And why did you reduce damage of warrior/druid's Rose Vine Skill ?
It would be better if you gave it some extra physical attack after reducing its physical damage, so people could play it in dark core easily. That class is powerful in Rofl but not very good in dark core, it needs more physical attack