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- Fixed Imprisonment Pulse was inflicting damage to immune targets.
Also a "Truth Shield Bash" of the Knight is dealing that damage.
Edit: ah and if i remember well, Holy Seal dots can be also applied on the immune targets by using Holy Seal skill. Not sure if it also works with using Holy Strike.
I would like to say some words about champs tank, because i see that u are mainly talking about which is good in dps 
So, firstly i would like to add, that i was playing on champs with full dps eq (!).
CH/K - the best tanking champ class, which can wear some plate to boost parry rate, great survivability, lack of buffs for party. With ability of Holy Strike to hit 3 targets and additional Holy Roar aoe - makes it good to keep good amount of aggro on mobs in groups (even more with +aggro from plate set). I was playing on it while i had a plate eq, it was really pleasant to play.
And now, atleast 2 of the following class should be pushed into tank class.
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CH/P - medium survivalibity (low number of parry rate - only possibility to wear chain, but 8% boost to stamina), one of the best party buffing champs with +21% dmg every 1.5 min and -32% obtained dmg every 4 min. No problems with aggro, even in bigger groups because of spammable Light Pulse (but need to keep some MP potions in backpack for that 
). For me, if i would have a more tanky chain eq, i would play it as a tank rather than CH/K.
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CH/M
Surprise! Everyone is looking at his dps, ok. But i see him as a potential good tank.
Firstly 70 elite skill - -10% obtained phys dmg all the time,
+ 21% obtained healing all the time,
Void Armor - less useful at dps, more useful at tank, -45% AS of attacking mobs in near - always good.
Threat good at single target (well, like on every champ), but... there are problems with keeping aggro on groups of mobs. We can only rely on general skills which is imprisonment pulse (because of the nerfs and lack of any aggro multiplifier on it its really difficult to generate enough aggro - even on full chain with nearly 800-900k patt - to keep mobs on you. Only way is to use Rune Overload, but not always its a possible with his rage eating.
If u would go to change him more in tanky class, i would suggest to change one of the elites, for ex. Rapid Spread or Suppression Offensive - or even both, to has a multiplifier aggro. But also its good to stay with a clearly dps class - no problema.
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CH/W
And here we are...
70 elite skill - -30% (!) obtained phys dmg all the time
Determination Rune - 49% of max HP absorption, ADDITIONAL -21% obtained dmg for 18 sec every 30 sec,
Defensive Formation +54% phys deff for 30 sec every 60 sec...
Great survivalibity, but lack of aoe skill (!), wanted to say lack of skill with multiplifier aggro, but... there is no ANY aoe skill. Not saying about imprisonment pulse which i described in CH/M section. Ah.. and whirlwind with 30 sec cd and 50 rage cost... nothing more to say...
My suggestion is to change Arc Stike (level 15 elite) to hit multiple targets, it has already multiplifier aggro, you can also add any rage cost to it.
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Summarizing, CH/P and CH/W should be kept as a tank classes (but need some upgrades, especially CH/W). CH/M can be, but dosent need to be tank.
I dont want to write anything about other champ classes, because CH/R, CH/S, CH/WD and CH/WRL (and probably Ch/M) should be categorised as a dps classes.
Question: why i didnt write anything about Ch/D... I think that class should be just a support class viable for chain users as it is. Some heal powers, some boosts for party/raid - i think idea to add any tank or dps ability is pointless.
P/W - still Chain of Lights doesnt hit the bulls at last boss in rofl.
Good guide Only one thing to add according to boss 3 - there is a tactic, and not full burst! 
But...
only Grox knows the tactic there 
quick question, not trying to be funny or uninformed , but why so much balancing instead of new content, world boss ?
just curious
thank you
You haven't noticed the new card system :P? its also new (or refresh of old) content. According to Grox's post, world boss should come out soon.
Like said Amzi, there are classes which specialize in buffing/debuffing, which shouldnt take first places in terms of output dmg. I'm also playing often as a p/w, which has some more utilities than other clean dps classes (+%perm patt for all, additional rez, patt buff when there is no other priest-heal and more) and isnt dealing dmg as other pure dps. And for me it should be kept like it is.
If you feel bored as any buffing/debuffing class, try to change with other magic geared ppl in your team. You swap to pure dps and someone other goes on buffer. Thats why upgrading your eq is important - to have a possibility to change roles in teams with others.
Aaand you can always go with team w/o buffers/debuffers 
Its everything depends on your team
P/W - Chains of light still sometimes doesnt hit bulls (at last boss rofl) 
The skill "Heroic Escape" is useless for the Knight /Warden , and even shameful for a tank. Change it to something more practical.
Maybe because k/wd is not supposed to be a tank? :O
Display MoreDisplay MoreGood to see changes on RoFL! Hope it will increase total difficulty of the instance!
1 boss - can you tell us some more details about those auras? The auras are from the beginning of tactic or bosses gets one of them if someone will fail?
Also im not sure if it was asked, but could you try fix that sometimes tank gets aggro on guardians, even if he wont use any dmg skills/taunt on them? I know that tanking it with 0 deff now is possible but not sure what will happen with those auras
2 boss - more vigilance on boss, good change. But if u want to implement it, i hope u will fix those "lags" in spawning of the small circles. Even now its annoying
3 boss - yay, finally 80% of the party wont be afk during the fight
4 boss - check for heals, atleast those high number of wis will be helpful !
5 boss - maybe also more hp/deff there could be added to boss? Not sure about it and feelings from other guilds, but more tactics would definitely increase difficulty of boss. Atleast boss wont be bursted with autoclicking math tactic with maybe 1 tactic. But its my feeling, maybe someone from other guilds can share here with his feelings.
Increase of def is not a good idea. That would change balancing between many classes. Only possible solution in my opinion is to increase HP, which can now exceed 2.147.483.647 HP native with 64bit client xd
So maybe tactics depended on % of boss? random tactics on 90, 85, 80, something like that...
Just something to stop bursting it
Good to see changes on RoFL! Hope it will increase total difficulty of the instance!
1 boss - can you tell us some more details about those auras? The auras are from the beginning of tactic or bosses gets one of them if someone will fail?
Also im not sure if it was asked, but could you try fix that sometimes tank gets aggro on guardians, even if he wont use any dmg skills/taunt on them? I know that tanking it with 0 deff now is possible but not sure what will happen with those auras
2 boss - more vigilance on boss, good change. But if u want to implement it, i hope u will fix those "lags" in spawning of the small circles. Even now its annoying
3 boss - yay, finally 80% of the party wont be afk during the fight I think you could also add some more hp/deff to mobs there to not burst them instantly.
4 boss - check for heals, atleast those high number of wis will be helpful !
5 boss - maybe also more hp/deff there could be added to boss? Not sure about it and feelings from other guilds, but more tactics would definitely increase difficulty of boss. Atleast boss wont be bursted with autoclicking math tactic with maybe 1 tactic. But its my feeling, maybe someone from other guilds can share here with his feelings.
I will not discuss details any further, the only thing I wanted to express that you seem to disregard certain factors to support your point, solely seen by you using that scrutinizer from a random run. Suchs screenshots just say absolutely nothing about class balancing and only are misleading.
Period.
It was just one of the cases, thats why we presents scrut from our normal guild run on which there is no mages at all, rogues are on the same eq level and mobs are not dying really fast. If its still "nothing" and is misleading... i dont know what it means for you
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Agree, thats why i think those comparisons as we did can help to developers to make proper decisions.
Regards!
a) probably true
b) its not about snickars, we know
c) elprese has t16 weapon and all t12 tiers, see big difference? I don't see
Display MoreIn my opinion balance should be first done in one class and it's different combos(so every combo of this call will be viable), and then level all classes to same/similar dmg(so everything will be playable). (but this is how i would do balance)
Ok so i wait to see what you guys will get with this run
i hope we all get some new experience and more usefull informations.
https://gyazo.com/ac7b95e6bda627a320d504477ff725de
I was rogue/champ, snickars was rogue/warrior and nyex rogue/priest. 4 dps in group.
You need to reduce my damage by ~1,4kkk because I made b3. Rogue/champ is for me one of the best rogues
Kind regards
Thanks for that run! It shows not only that r/w is... like we said a little op relative to other combinations, but also r/ch is not bad. I wish it was a r/wd in party to compare 
1.5.kk over mage and 1,6kk over r/p - it confirms our words.
And you proved that even on fast runs (like yours) where mobs/bosses are killed really fast - r/w is dealing too much.
Probably here will be also (if not i will upload it then) scruts from other raids on rofl to compare what is output in normal raids where mobs are not killed so fast. And there difference between r/w and r/p is more like 3.5kk...
Regards!
Thats why i said, probably u are right that for a extremely short fights and when r/w cant get to the mobs (well like any other rogues) its nothing wrong with that combination ,and you cant really see difference on pdps fully. Our party is always full of pdps (not all are full gold geared, but 3 main rogues - 2x r/w and r/d or if he swap to r/p, and they are full gold) and its really really noticeable.
I see .
But now i would like to know how you are comparing the classes , when i read that only(?) the main rogues have full gold gear / not everyone has gold gear in your runs and if it is a fair comparison of the classes.
Greetings
I am not comparing to me (chain dps). Just comparing other rogue combos, on which our ppl in guild are running. Look for example what deszcz2 said in previous post. Only one thing which i said about all classes it was my personal feeling that all "poison classes" are really strong
Display MoreCan you please explain what are your experiences with rouges in endcontent? Becouse from what i see (for me) it looks like you have no idea what are you talking about in the rouges balance topic.
My and mine guild experiences with "Rouges" are totally different than what you say in this matter. We can see how OP is r/w and how strong is r/d becouse we have few of them and those are well geard, experienced players.
Can you please explain you point of view?
Sorry, but i must say that u probably havn't played as r/w properly if u say so. And saying that there are classes that are better than (or as good as) the r/w... well, nothing more to say. You have told before that u are running most of time in party with ~ max 1-2x pdps, maybe thats why u cant see such a difference :).
Just no offence
Anyway, developers pls look into it! Thx!
Well from what i have seen on our Guild runs is the big problem that trash / bosses die too fast that the r/w cant play his full potential.
One main reason to this is that the r/w has a fairly long rotation to do prober damage and of course benefits from other rogues bleeding debuff ( what in our runs rarely happens , we run mostly with 1 rogue ).
greetings
Thats why i said, probably u are right that for a extremely short fights and when r/w cant get to the mobs (well like any other rogues) its nothing wrong with that combination ,and you cant really see difference on pdps fully. Our party is always full of pdps (not all are full gold geared, but 3 main rogues - 2x r/w and r/d or if he swap to r/p, and they are full gold) and its really really noticeable.
Sorry, but i must say that u probably havn't played as r/w properly if u say so. And saying that there are classes that are better than (or as good as) the r/w... well, nothing more to say. You have told before that u are running most of time in party with ~ max 1-2x pdps, maybe thats why u cant see such a difference :).
Just no offence
Anyway, developers pls look into it! Thx!
Thanks for going into a way of decreasing of dmg output top ranked combinations! Keep this up
And please look into R/W, because for a long time i think u haven't looked closely on it. Especially to skills: Whirlwind and Toxic Splash. Check what that combination can do on first/second and last boss-bulls on rofl (mainly big groups of mobs). Maybe try to make it as it is for ex. with Power of the Wood Spirit (i mean max number of targets) or whatever...
Second thing what i noticed through long time is that every combination which uses poison as a element most of the time in overall is the best. I can see it on wd/wrl vs wd/r vs wd/s. Our guildmate on r/w (also poison) doing most of the time 1.5 of r/d (probably second the best combination - well balanced) overall dmg on rofl. The same problem was with scouts (s/wrl)- not sure if it is still, because we are mainly pdps groups.
I know that its a new element, and it could happen. But we have a long way after introducing it and still the difference is really significant (atleast for me). But these are my personal feelings
Well, wardens always have been a monsters in burst single targets. If warden doesnt has any buffs (like Power of the Oak, savage power, ISS for dmg etc) is probably one of the weakest classes in the game.
On the other hand champs were more like sustain dps which could keep good numbers of dmg without any buffs but on burst was behind other classes. Now Wardens keeps the same logic as it was before, but champs loosing now on sustainity dps, aoe dmg and burst dps to other classes.
And yea, also thinking that developers should go into way: lets decrease damage output the best classes (overall) instead trying to increase ouput of inferior classes
Removing kitty/diyce - what a beautiful skill game RoM would be 
Im not sure if it was fixed, but last time when i was on RoFL at P/W, i couldnt hit the bulls with chains of light. It sometimes hits, but very rarely Could u check it?
Hey,
It's been long time until we got new titles for badges of trial. I think for a lot of ppl now there is no things to buy/exchange for those badges. And still we are getting more and more from events/gashas, and for most of people its just uselss thing
Could we get any exchange NPC, or NPC which could sell items like phoenixes or other useful items for badges of trial?
Regards and merry christmass!
Flaerth
Guys, u dont need AU to have seperate skill bars there is vActionbar on curse
But thats true that some of parts of AU are useful, like kitty (which is much better than normal one) and lack buffs which is good for some ppl bcuz they like to want keep their buffs always up and dont forget anything.
So it would be good if those addons could be installed separately
Well, even i would appreciate if it was possible to put addon like vActionbar/separate skill bars into client (like it is with AAH).
Greetings!
is he trolling or...? xD
Display MoreDisplay MoreChange of HP/Deff is a weak solution. Its only increase of time instance, not difficulty.
Better thing would be to add/replace more difficult tactics (which need a much better equipment and stats, so lower geared ppl couldnt do it). Its in my opinion one of the best options.
Next option would be increased deff + dmg/more strong dots of mobs/bosses. It could stop burning bosses and needed really well equipped tank and healer.
Now even with starting tank eq is possible to tank RoFL, and with 2 healers without wis stats (or just with yellow stats) can heal it easly, what is for me ridiculous.
Regards!
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If the 4th boss lasts really long, the DoT will kill you.
If the last boss lasts really long with more Add phases, the stacks will increase (or last boss starts with several stacks). I want to see someone tanking last boss with 30 stacks ^^. (not kiting, on a harder mode the last boss needs to move faster, that you cannot out-kite it)
For the rest I agree. You can even tank the instance as a scout
Hmm not exactly Probably u know that there is a way to not obatain a dots from mobs on entire raid. With this way u can do this boss 2x or even 3x longer than normally. Thats how we were doing it when we had a big lack of dps;)
To the last boss:
ye, here u are right, more hp/def -> more chances to increase stacks on boss -> more difficult. But still if u are really well organised in party, u can doing it without adding stacks to the boss (in theory ).
CH/Wd
Chain drive is not resetting the cooldown of Rune Pulse.
