Posts by Ramer

Is it just my impression, or does the person responsible for balancing magical classes actually know how to do their job — they make changes, inform players about upcoming adjustments, the changes are frequent, fairly extensive, and well explained? Meanwhile, the balance of leather classes feels like a complete joke, done carelessly by someone who is clearly incompetent.

Is a physical S/M really supposed to use a magical staff just to gain 20% damage on a single skill? Is it really impossible to create a physical staff, the same way a magical dagger or magical crossbow exists? Or something even simpler: S/M using a 2-handed sword (PHYSICAL — yes, I feel the need to emphasize this, because apparently it matters).

S/R — great change, it definitely needed a nerf.

S/Ch — no comment, honestly.

S/K — well… it basically doesn’t exist.

S/B — zero changes for a long time.

B/S — no changes.

B/Ch — also no changes.

This is my subjective opinion, but looking at the recent balance changes, I strongly feel that within your team there are people who are excellent at what they do — and there are also people who clearly should not be doing this job at all.

Hey! Recently I tested S/Ch, S/K, and B/S a bit. My conclusion is that these combinations currently don’t provide any enjoyment in gameplay at all. S/Ch and B/S are slow, and their damage is quite laughable compared to other classes. S/K is a totally strange combination — the knockback mechanic is nice, the AoE damage is rather low but noticeable, and the best surprise is that whether you use a bow or a pistol, the damage is basically the same 😄

I’m pretty much convinced that the people testing the classes have already noticed this as well, so I’d kindly ask for these combinations to be looked into.

As for S/M, I have a small remark — magic classes can use two-handed weapons there and gain greater corruption from this combination, while physical classes have no alternative in the form of a physical two-handed weapon. This is something I would take a closer look at first 🙂

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Congratulations on another successful class balance 🙂 It’s clear that everything is thoroughly tested before being implemented 🙂.

Hello Ramer!

You'll be glad to know that some classes were hotfixed quickly after we've seen them overperform in runs. This was due to an unintentional interaction between the new Sepal Stab AoE and other Modifiers on Warden/Druid specifically, which caused massive damage spikes in custom instances.

Hooroo,

Brontes

I tip my hat for the quick response — it positively surprised me. Now I’m just impatiently waiting for the balance of the “dead” classes — not only my Scout, but also the rest of the magical and melee combinations. 😀

Congratulations on another successful class balance 🙂 It’s clear that everything is thoroughly tested before being implemented 🙂.

I’m also feeling some frustration with the current RNG system. Even with the recent improvements, out of around 30 rolls I only managed to get the stat I was aiming for once. Getting three useful different stats on top of that still feels extremely difficult, even with the “increased chance”.

It’s also a bit funny that in some cases the old corruption system still performs better than the current one, which doesn’t really motivate players to switch weapons.

Hey! I feel that the new instance clearly highlights the problems the Scout is facing. After the corruption nerf, this class has lost a lot (same as many others), but playing with two weapon sets and switching titles is no longer enough. The class is simply weak. Previously, players tried to compensate for this in various ways, but those no longer work.

That’s why I’d like to request substantial changes to this class—not only for S/R, S/D, S/Wd, but also for all the other unplayable combinations.

Regards,

Ramer

I agree, S/D has been nerfed a bit too much, while the other class combinations are fine as they are. Maybe it’s worth starting with small changes, for example to the skill Field of Fire (ID 490464) — make it no longer consume the resource and add 1% to execution?

Hey!

I really liked the changes to S/D, and I have absolutely no complaints there — the class can now, in a way, compete with other classes in instances. As for S/Wd, I do have one comment. Due to the change to the "Scent of the Hunt" skill, the class didn’t exactly get a buff but rather gained the option to go with a non-standard rotation — which performs similarly to the old one. I propose a change to the skill so that it no longer resets "Hidden Peril", but instead lasts for 30 seconds with a 90-second cooldown. That way, the class should perform much better.

Hey!

This might sound strange, but I'm actually glad that S/R got nerfed — it was the only leather class that could even slightly compete with magical gear (considering that leather had a higher gear tier and more bonuses from cards or fusions — otherwise, there was no competition at all).

Thanks to this change, now we can start playing other combinations that are just as weak as S/R is now

I hope the sarcasm is clear.

I’m not capable of achieving your level of “balance.” You’re fixing magical classes — great! And applause to you, because some of them did need adjustments, and I think no one will argue with that.

But why the nerf to S/R?

Yes, from the perspective of physical classes, it was a top-tier combo, but compared to the best magical setups, it was merely "good."

I’d like to get a reasonable explanation for this.

Saying “everyone played it” — sure, but what else were they supposed to play?

S/K? R/M? S/P?

There is no other strong leather-based combo besides S/R. The rest don't exist — they’re useless.

So yes, I’m all for buffing mages, but why nerf the only playable physical combo in leather gear?

S/WD

The skill "Care of Nature" (ID 494378) – I would increase the damage bonus from 5.4% to 8.1%.

Additionally, I would rework the skill "Power of the Forest Spirit" (ID 493392) to deal ranged weapon damage, change its range to 150, and increase its cooldown to 3.5 seconds.

I believe that these minor adjustments would bring S/Wd back into the game, as it hasn't been viable at the highest level for a long time.

S/W

For S/W, I would only add a 10% increase in crossbow attack speed. This should be enough to encourage players to use this class combination while also bringing the crossbow back into the game – as it is currently mainly used by S/M, which is practically dead.

"I propose a small change to S/Ch - Increase the range of the skill 'Joint Strike' (ID 490420) to 170, similar to the skill 'Piercing Arrow' (ID 490400)."

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Hi Guys, since for more and more classes tier list are being created I through it would be nice to create a list for Scout as well but since I don't play all scout classes by myself I will need some help ^~^

So what I will do is I will rank them based on my feeling and what I played / saw in the last months

Feel free to tell me your opinion or correct me with constructive feedback, this tier list will only cover physical scouts so I won't include S/Warlock

Tiers List DMG

S Deals very good DMG,

A still deals good DMG

B deals average DMG

C deals meh DMG

D garbage

S:

S/R , S/D , S/C ( I guess I don't need to say sth about them those classes are pretty good performing rn )

A:

-

B:

S/Warden ( high potential to actually be good, but still underperforming inside orkham/Grafu )

C:

S/Warrior ( also nice potential since skills and playstile is cool but DMG is not good q.q )

D:

S/B , S/P , ( ik those two have buff skills and on a support list S/P would be S but since it is about DMG

S/K , S/M

Both completely disappointing

S/M on pdd gear completly rip RN even tho it can scale with magic and physical

S/K could be good and skills read powerful but on actual combat it is not good and basically trolling

party with knock back arrow

Excluded:

S/Warlock

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Hey! I don’t fully agree with your chart. Right now, S/R is the only scout combination that can confidently be placed in the OP tier. In my opinion, both S/D and S/Ch are A-tier classes. I understand that there are instances where these classes perform similarly (FA, NECRO, IDK), but in top-tier instances, they don’t perform as well.

As for S/WD, I agree with you. S/W is quite an interesting combination—it’s stronger than S/WD (but harder to play). However, the requirements for this class and the effort needed to maximize its potential don’t convince me to place it higher. It requires a greater investment in gear and knowledge to play it well.

Regarding S/B and S/P, they are buffers, and it would be good to turn one of them into a DPS. S/M is a mech. S/K is a project that needs a lot of work—it has potential, but a lot still needs to be done to make it viable.

This is how I currently see the scout

Hey! I have a small suggestion to remove the account binding for Form Fragment and Emotion Fragment from the awakening instance. This would increase trading opportunities for weaker players.

Hey! I don’t see S/R or S/D, S/Ch struggling with large groups of mobs. Was Hurricane Shot supposed to be changed? – I wouldn’t want that. Against large groups of mobs, this skill still deals massive damage, while on smaller groups, it’s useless. In my opinion, you just need to test when it makes sense to use this skill and when it doesn’t. Changing it to 600% would mean you’d be killing large groups of mobs with a single skill, making the scout simply too strong.

The scout/mage combination is a joke in its physical form. It lacks both adequate AoE and single-target damage. Please increase the physical damage

Hey! I'd like to address the issue regarding leather equipment. Overall, I'm satisfied with most of the balance decisions that have been recently introduced. However, there are some issues concerning combinations that are not playable, as well as the use of classes in general races.

Firstly, leather equipment does not allow us to tank. In magical or spiked equipment, there are combinations that are typical tanks, but in the case of leather, we have not yet received the possibility of tanking instances.

Another issue is that the scout has a higher passive strength bonus than dexterity. I don't fully understand this decision because although we have a dexterity bonus in leather equipment, in reality, we passively gain more strength. Now, creating, for example, s/w with additional spiked equipment with a passive skill for strength, it will be clearly stronger in spiked equipment than in leather. A similar strength disparity occurs in s/m, where as a magical DPS, I am stronger than in leather equipment.

Merkur noticed before that there are the least leather combinations. I previously suggested the possibility of tanking or playing as a mage in leather equipment, but unfortunately, it didn't go in that direction. Leather buffers are also not competitive in races, and some combinations, such as s/p and s/b, are practically unplayable, just like s/k.

I don't understand why leather equipment is overlooked in subsequent updates. I propose increasing the passive dexterity bonus and reducing strength. It would also be nice to revamp s/k, s/p, reduce s/b damage, and instead add skills that give bonuses to players in the party. I would also like to be able to play as s/wl in leather equipment, so perhaps you could also provide an additional option to play as a mage or in spiked equipment on par with basic combinations.

Greetings

Hey!

I have a request for a new approach to S/K and S/P. Both combinations are unplayable; they're not good buffers, nor are they related to tanking instances or DPS. Additionally, it would be nice to give some minor buffs to S/WD and S/W. I think an overall buff of 3-5% to damage would help balance the scout class.

Hey!

I have a request for a new approach to S/K and S/P. Both combinations are unplayable; they're not good buffers, nor are they related to tanking instances or DPS. Additionally, it would be nice to give some minor buffs to S/WD and S/W. I think an overall buff of 3-5% to damage would help balance the scout class.

I agree that currently S/D disrupts the balance because it's too strong. Additionally, M/R should also be nerfed because together with S/D, they're just too powerful.

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Hey,thanks for the buffs just wanted to adress something regarding Skill(ID 499583) on Scout/Druid,all changes are good so far besides this one, i cant understand why we needed this skill to gain a AOE to manually press,it kills the rotation inside burst since most skills are designed to come out very fast and at this point building in a aoe while having a class that is designed to do very many hits with as much attack speed as possible just feels completly wrong.Its nearly impossible to use it now since we would need kill a lot of time for pressing and aiming this aoe since it is extremly tiny while also wasting a lot of potetial time where we could do 10 other hits inside this window again...

Suggestion would be make it aoe but same way as Skill (ID 490400) or as Skill(ID 490457) so that we dont have to use a tiny aoe on moving bosses while trying to burst...

Or just remove the AOE entirely while keeping other changes since this skill never even needed it

would be glad to hear from other Scouts and how they experience it rn.

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The skill can normally be entered in the kitty combo - I've only noticed that in the English version, it works fine, while in the Polish version, this skill and combo shot don't work correctly

I also agre with Cruvor. Targeting makes sense only practically on S/D, possibly under certain conditions on S/Wd - although even here it's often worth skipping targeting in the rotation. Similarly, the skill on S/D " Casting Curse" ID 494040, which has a long cast time and despite having a high criitical hit chance, is practically useless when played in rotatnion.

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Hello,

Our team decided to disable it since lately it caused too much advantage of temporary power, making it unrealistic and creating too big gap between no-script users.

Change was declined when suggested years and months earlier, but nowadays it was decided it's the time.

It is like you are fighting boss and trying to change your socks to alter poison dmg in middle of getting hit.

Greetings

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Hey! Honestly, the example of changing socks and a hat over your head doesn't convince me as an argument for removing the ability to change it during combat. I don't understand these explanations. Many players have already written that without this function, several combinations cease to exist. What will you do next, ban changing weapons? Lack of food during combat or strengthening skills? The title in this whole game between scripts and non-script players is the least of the problems. And although I only use KittyCombo, I can manage to change titles during combat, etc. I never saw a problem with that. Don't take away from us the fun of solutions that actually make this game interesting because ultimately it will just turn into mindlessly pressing '1'."

B/S

Testing B/S, I noticed that even after the planned changes, there will still be a bit of a lack of damage for this character. I suggest adding some ranged damage from 23.8% to 28.8% (Skill ID 1491120).

In my case, it's not consuming resources and not creating new arrows, it only shows the progress bar and countdown.

It's as you can see, there's a crafting progress bar, but it's not consuming my resources even though I meet the conditions for crafting arrows.

The arrow crafting function isn't working for me - please fix it