Posts by Persil

Heyho,

Just want to share some suggestions about the magical classes of the bard:

Bard/Mage:

This class looks very interisting, especially with "Fire Rune" but i think it's missing something.

"Fire Rune" (1491145) for example has the very nice effect that you can instantly cast your main spell after dealing magic damage. But there aren't any spells to proc it very good.

-> Maybe adding magical dmg to "Lost Sanity" (1491094) would have a very good Synergy.

-> Adding Fire damage to "Musical Attack" (1491086) to spam it for burst. Atm the damage is very very low.

-> Also the "Fire Nova" (1491144) dmg is a bit low and very slow compared to other classes. Adding some dmg would help here.(It doesn't have a decrement yet. When it gets one it'll be even worse)

Bard/Druid:

Very nice aoe class because it has not a single decrement atm. When this changes the class will die i guess.

Overall this class shines with it's high base dmg from aoe's and low cd but at bosses it is very very weak because Bard itself doesnt have much Buffs for magical classes. Cast speed isn't that useful because you main cast already is at 0.5 cast in nearly every case.

-> Adding buffs to the class like earth dmg, mdmg and nerfing the earth damage passive skill (1491180).

-> Changing this Melee skill "Earthy Splash" (1491182) to something more useful. Atm in instances it forces you to go melee for a bit dmg with cd and % mana cost. Also a Buff that is useful in pvp.

Bard/Mage:

Looks like a pdd/supportive class combination. it doesn't have any special skill and the damage is single target and aoe like a normal mage. "Purgatory Fire" got improved but still... you have to go melee, low basedmg, high decrement, high mana cost -> not that useful.

->Idk where this class is seen so i can't say what to change. If it is intended like this it won't be seen as a dps. Maybe someone else can tell me what i overlook here

Champion/Bard:

Very nice change to switch the spells to cps because as a champ without any casts you literally dont' have a single Buff for your dmg (except for Shadowforge's Rage). This class looks interisting to a certain point. Most skills are physical after all and also the Buffs. It also lacks a spammable. I'm sure it's not meant to be a caster but it has literally permanently everything on cd. Also the mechanic with "Forge" and "Musical Attack" sounds nice but the dmg is very low of "Musical Attack".

-> Changing "Musical Attack" (1491086) ( to wind damage and/or cps would helpt alot.

-> Give it a gcd spammable that scales magically. Like "Heavy Bash" (498521) to wind/cps and reduce the rage cost a bit.

-> Change the lvl 58/85 Elite skills (58-850882, 85-490426) to also give Magical Attack too

Warlock/Bard:

Looks like a warlock with nice psi regeneration but lesser Buffs. It has nice elite skills like added dark dmg (10%) to your dot (that no one uses) and "Ethereal Blade" is a nice Skill added to you rotation. "Soul Blast" (1491295) unfortunately does very little damage with like no aoe range.

-> ?? nothing yet^^

Feel free to correct me here or add your experiences

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Hey,

"Darkness, Arise!" on bard/wl should change harmony to cps too.

But atm it isn't cps dmg.

Also i like the new changes but the "Soul Blast" cps could be reduced to 700% It is kinda strong atm

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Hey,

1.Why is this not intended with the cast multi?

2. Ofc

you can see my buffs and my simple damage log.

In the scrutinizer screens you can see the hit heights

Simple damage log + buffs

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hit height Soul Hunter

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hit height Soul Blast

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and for comparison Immaterial Resurrence with 200% less (but channel spell)

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Edit: Just buff more cast speed and you see Soul Hunter will do WAY more damage compared to Soul Blast.

Edit 2: Thanks for the upcoming change

I hope it's understandable

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Hey,

i just went through the upcoming patchnotes and saw something about the bard/wl.

1. Fixed Rhythmic Delusion wasn’t inflicting CPS damage.

-> sounds very interisting tbh and idk where this comes from

2. I think "Soul Blast" was the intended skill here.

The main issue about the bard/warlock is his main spammable skill isn't dealing any damage atm.

It is a 3s cast without a cast multi (like every other cast from any mage etc whatever) AND it deals 1x 920% cps dark dmg and 1x 920% cps damage. Both hits dont scale with a cast multi or a cps multi.

Sadly that's why this skill does literally no dmg as the normally main spell of this class.

"Soul Blast" does like 4-5kk hits in fullburst atm and thats sadly nothing compared what it should deal. Even "Soul Hunter" the additional skill to every hit deals nearly double the damage (per hit) in burst.

It's like playing a mage with "Flame" that does the damage of "Purgatory Fire"

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Hey,

Quote from Laisha

Afaik this always was a passive cause of one of its elite skills.

I don't think it was like this before.. it was an active afaik and got changed now (correct me if i am wrong)

Also i absolutely agree on the post of madoxx. Bard/druid looks pretty nice but it has no real buffs so in single target/burst it is very weak.

The other magical classes are kinda interisting too.

Bard/warlock is missing the normal dmg it should have on its mainspell because its not cps based atm.

-> 150% cps skill does higher hits than this 920% cps

Edit: Additionally i think the skill doesn't have a cast multi atm...

champ/bard looks funny but has the same issue as the bard/druid.

But in addition no spammable for trash etc and the basedmg is very low compared to other classes.

-> fancy skills, no dmg, no buffs

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Hey,

Some changes are not mentioned in the patch notes.

For example "Incredible Riff" of the bard/druid was changed into a passive.

and i think a change from 10 to 1% is a bit much but still a nice title

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Hey,

Quote from Persil

Heyho,

i tested the bard/wl a bit and wanted to ask if the damage of "Soul Blast" is correct.

The skill "Soul Blast" (1491192) does 920% dark damage cps and 920% cps magic damage as a (3s!) cast.

The skill "Immaterial Resurrence" (1491193) has 732,5% cps dark damage (4 hits) as a channeling spell.

But "Soul Blast" does WAY less damage than "Immaterial Resurrence". "Soul Blast" does half the damage with it's dark damage hit. I hope you can look into this

Edit: Maybe "Soul Blast" is not cps based atm. If you buff yourself up even "Soul Hunter" with only 150% CPS dark dmg does more damage

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This is still the case sadly :s

And the new title skill "1491413" shares a cd with "1491182" from the bard/druid

Also the skill "1491182" is very interisting because it's quite useless in my eyes. For pvp it looks a bit useful but for instances....
it does less dmg than the spammable cast and has 3s cd. Maybe changing the dmg or the cd (or skill to a buff or whatever) would be a good

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Heyho,

i tested the bard/wl a bit and wanted to ask if the damage of "Soul Blast" is correct.

The skill "Soul Blast" (1491192) does 920% dark damage cps and 920% cps magic damage as a (3s!) cast.

The skill "Immaterial Resurrence" (1491193) has 732,5% cps dark damage (4 hits) as a channeling spell.

But "Soul Blast" does WAY less damage than "Immaterial Resurrence". "Soul Blast" does half the damage with it's dark damage hit. I hope you can look into this

Edit: Maybe "Soul Blast" is not cps based atm. If you buff yourself up even "Soul Hunter" with only 150% CPS dark dmg does more damage

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Heyho,

i just wanted to ask if you mean this skill..?

"Mage/Warrior

• Fixed Meditative Current effect was possible to be refreshed unintentionally."

The Skill you mean is "499588" "Meditation Path" after 10s of the Buff (623146) you can refresh it and always cast while walking. Just use a fireball every 10s

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Heyho,

Quote from johnkopytko

scrut from m/k 1st 5 skill= AOE

for me one solution

BIG nerf aoe dmg

BUFF single target

Quote from Madox

Hmm that means nothing

All mages have static field (in this case the stars skill), thunderstorm, iss aoe... as first skills. Single dmg cast is maybe 5 to 10% of overall scrut in most of them.

I agree with Madoxx at this point. The main reason is that you nearly don't use ANY single target spells except for plasma arrow only for static field (and 1-2 exceptions like m/r or m/s). Every single target cast is completely useless in trash because the cast time and missing dmg makes it worse than any other aoe option. On most mage classes after you run out of cast speed buffs you just use your aoe macro for offburst because they are better/stronger. (compared to pdd where you always use nearly every skills)

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Heyho,

Quote from Ramer

Anyone wishing to change a mage is immediately attacked by the mage players.

Yeah sure - because everyone wants to nerf mage again or wants other classes to overperform. It would be the same if it would be any other class.
Some of your suggestions for example are way over the top and some others are kinda okay. Maybe with different values at this point.

I personally can remember the beginning of the year when EVERY mageclass was pure garbage and i think most mage players are happy since some patches that they are able to compete again (with the mayor changes idk when).And ofc maybe overperformed while these changes like the release of some warlock classes.

I don't really believe that ALL mage classes are better or whatever than every leather class for example or ALL leather classes are so hot garbage as everyone mentions it.

I personally would prefer to nerf classes that are too strong like you mentioned. For example the scout/mage everyone wants to see. But like everyone said before - in tiny steps please and not instantly make a class op or nerf it to the ground.

For example:

Quote from Ramer

S / M skill ID 1491049 Flame Arrows - add physical weapon damage instead of fire damage

ranged.

If you mean buffing the physical dmg -> sounds okayish

If you mean removing the fire dmg -> horrible idea

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Heyho,

Quote from johnkopytko

idk why u hate leather gear its very nice gear who dont like pif paf trututu???

Don't get me wrong here - no one here hated leather gear in their post.

My point was that something like

Quote from Luciaa

buff pdd scout =)

is not necessary for some combinations. The leather classes in general are far from weak. But some of them can ofc need a Buff. Not every combination is as viable as others.

Btw:

Quote from Ramer

Today we were with the guild in the instance. I was a physical S/M t13 set + t15 crossbow, for 2 S/M t12 magic sets + t13 crossbow.

Having better gear, my skills were weaker by 10% -25% ...

Where is a fair balance of classes, as the only magic/physical combination is strongly in favor for the magic classes?

The crossbow of the magical dd is not that important. It's more about the main hand (2h Staff). But i made different observations about the numbers.

And in my opinion the right way would be to nerf the magical s/m a bit instead of buffing every scout (scoutmeta again).

But like in my previous post the balancing team will decide what will happen at the end of the day we'll see.

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Heyho,

I have seen different information about this tbh. But i don't think our opinions will match there.

But i don't really think that some other leather classes really need a Buff (Some of them are top dps). A few yes of course but not every class. Tbh i can't really believe that the opinions are SO different. But i guess we'll see how the balancing team will decide on that. Atm i still have this opinion i mentioned above.

I do not say that the s/m isn't strong atm.

Offtopic: i don't think that this balancing pause was that bad. It was nice to see the same classes perform over a longer time period and not a changing meta like every 1-2 weeks

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Heyho,

I just read the last posts and want to add my opinion to that:

Quote from Merkur

2) Magical s/m is much stronger than physical, moreover, it is generally too strong, since it only had 1-2 patches, I will not believe anyone that after such a short time it is well balanced

In my opinion that is not true. Indeed he is strong but the physical one is as strong as the magical one and in general VERY strong.

1-2 patches...?!

Note: the second dps number is the MAGICAL one

10.4.1.2003

"Scout/Mage

• Reduced Incineration damage to 160%/375% from 160%/500%.
• Reduced The Inferno damage to 250%/1300% from 400%/1733%.
• Reduced Joint Blow damage to 750%/1687% from 750%/2531%.
• Reduced Flame Arrows damage to 478%/1434% from 478%/1593%."

10.4.1.2003-2

"Scout/Mage

• Changed Incineration to have 8% damage decrement for each extra target, increased its damage to 160%/400% from 160%/375%.
• Reduced Inevitable Ignition fire damage gain to 12% from 20%."

10.4.1.2003-3

"Scout/Mage

• Reduced Excessive Necessity attack gain to 10% from 15%."

10.4.1.2004

"Scout/Mage

• Reduced The Inferno damage to 250%/1170% from 250%/1300%.
• Reduced Flame Arrows damage to 478%/1170% from 478%/1434%."

Quote from Merkur

And I must admit that it amazed me. As far as I understand that chain eq has many options (basically 3 classes). I totally don't understand why mages with 2 base classes (same as on leather eq) have 9 more options than me.

I support this idea. Only leather classes didn't got any other special classes with a different main class then scout or rogue.

Quote from Madox

All your comments today are to hate mages...

Yeah not hate... but it's not new that Merkur always bashes against mages in nearly every post. It's kind of obvious. But some other people do that too...

Quote from Cosmo

For sure its not only mdps who is still OP. If we take a look into Chain of Arcadia we still see, Champ/Wl still overperforming or a Wr/Rouge or a Wr/Druid... i can continue so long. But also many mdps classes disgusting. Sure you need try compare in same runs with same supp etc. Which is actually pretty hard. But still it is.
And we got so long now no balance patches, which makes me kinda sad tbh.(i dont count last one, cuz it was more or less bugfix) Couse, like Merkur said. So less Leather Dps who perfome atleast well or even with some broken, chain or mage classes. (actually just r/ch, when he play nearly perfect)

I don't really understand why every leather player complains about that. Of course (in my case) i can say some magical classes are pretty strong. But leather has some very strong classes too and there is no point in bashing other classes while some of the leather ones are as strong too. Scout/warden, scout/druid, scout/mage, rogue/warden, rogue/champion for example are top tier too.

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Heyho,

I also would agree on that change tbh

I already suggested this way earlier but the increase was like 9%? The Flame damage changed - but not that much tbh.

Also its just about 1 skill thats why i suggested it. A Whole cps class is.. yes i agree with you^^

WL dont really need that because of the insane elemental boosts they got. Mages cant get even near that numbers. Mage/warrior for example has only around 250% fire damage at max. He has high mdmg values but his output is a joke compared to a wl dmg output in numbers^^

Add: But cps would make the additional cast time mages have way more useful at the moment.

Edit 2: Something like a snipe of the scout with cps would be also a good choice. Or a stronger skill with much higher base dmg and cd like from the mage/druid "Mother Earths Wrath"

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Hey,

Quote from espar91

then i would suggest you to get better pdps in your runs to compare yourself, because mage has no chance against almost any pdps class in current content.

About the comparison - it is true. ANd the classes that can compete are getting instantly nerfed like s/m.

Quote from Noodlez

Last patches has been chain>wl/leather>mages 100%. But on this patch its probably not like this because the wise changes seem a bit strong so ill give you the benefit of the doubt.

I can agree on this. Wl for example feels way better than mage main classes and especially what i've seen from rogue classes - there is no chance to compete. Burst dmg for example is way lower compared to the mage classes.

Also about these changes:

• Reduced The Inferno damage to 250%/1170% from 250%/1300%.
• Reduced Flame Arrows damage to 478%/1170% from 478%/1434%.

I know the Scout/mage is strong since its release but is it necessary to nerf the magical every patch atm? ofc it has a strong aoe burst but the physical version of this class is stronger in any way than the magical one. The constant damage of the magical is a bit stronger but especially in the burst, burst aoe etc the physical one is way stronger.

Idk how others see it im hoping for some feedback here (and in general).

Additionally i wanted to suggest some changes on the mage/warrior.

Atm it is not the worst class and not the best one either. The problem about it you get a 2nd whole gear to perform worse than other mage combos like m/s and m/r. You can just simply get a xbow or dagger and deal more damage.

Thats why i wanted to suggest some changes for this class:

- Maybe give it an additional skill which is based on cps (or change a current one like flame).

- Increase the dmg % of wisdom and bravery a bit. 12-15% maybe?

- Change the buff of "Magical Talent" into something really useful. HP and especially MP really don't matter. No skill uses alot of Mana and the only reason you get oom is of the % cost. Or change "Activate Mana" to something mentioned above^^

- Or change the last named Buffs to a short time Buff which changes a skill to cps based. It would be very nice for all mages btw because on a mage cast speed is nearly useless because you anyway get easily to 0.5s cast.

It would be nice to see atleast one mage with a nice burst because there is not really 1 mage that can compete in burst.

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EDIT: I didn't meant that the buffgear is a bad part - i love that fact because it makes this class unique. It's the identity of this class. I just wanted to mention that it's not worth it atm to play this class^^

Heyho,

Regarding the new wl/r changes :

Ofc punishment feels way weaker now but idk how much compared to other top dps atm.

It just feels alot weaker now. And the problem of his weaker single target is his massive lacking aoe dmg.

He has the weakest aoe dmg of all wl classes and the single target is/was his advantage.

Also the change of soul fang :

It's now a cast with 0 damage but the problem of the cast is that it has the same issue like plasma arrow.

The traveling time lets you cast it twice if you use a macro and this is a huge time waste too.

I hope there will be some consideration about this class in the future^^

Regarding scour/mage:

I can't wait to see these changes - it looks very nice^^

Just one thing:

"Snipe: 2353% ranged weapon DPS fire damage or 1158% CPS fire damage."

Is it intended that snipe is the only skill where pdps has more % than fire damage?

It has even less fire% than "Joint Blow".

Im just wondering^^

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Heyho,

I saw that the skill "Drowning attack" of the p/s always applies the damage to nearby targets + additional dmg.

It doesn't matter if the target has the debuff of "Drowning" on it^^ it always does the same damage and no debuff is needed.

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Quote from Persil

it's the absolute main dmg skill and gets nerfed by over 50% in total when you have 4 or more debuffs

There are only 4 elemental weakness effects in the game those can be used simultanously, currently.

This is 12%/24%/32%/38% reduction on single skill depending on elemental weakness effects the target has from 1 to 4.

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Heyho,

I'm just a bit concerned about this class with this nerf (i just don't want the same thing what happened to the wl/ch) - The Single target burst is the main aspect of the class and Punishment does around 40-55% of a whole boss. Even with the 38% in total it's around 20% less overall dmg

I mean we'll see how this class performs after that nerf and then it can be adjusted a little more.

But why increasing the cd of End of ideas by 2 seconds? I don't think the 4 additional % will compensate these 2s.

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Heyho,

About the change of wl/r:

"Increased Punishment damage to 6996 from 6360, changed it to gain 12% damage with every Elemental Weakness effect instead of 40%."

It's true that the single target burst of this class is pretty good and needs a kind of nerf but i dont think that hard. Especially because it's the absolute main dmg skill and gets nerfed by over 50% in total when you have 4 or more debuffs.

Also the aoe dmg of this class is far away from competing with other classes which compensates through the single target dmg.

I'd suggest to start with around 30% at the beginning and look how it will perform after that.

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Quote from Persil

Btw the m/wl has fire dmg output whyever as his elemental dmg output which would nerf him also very hard. He should do wind damage (36,2% by plasma arrow) because thats what he has the most % of. (tell me if im wrong)

Sadly that 36% wind dmg disapear when you use static field.

Oh i didn't knew that.

Then forget what i said he gets a huge nerf too

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Heyho

I wanted to say something about the upcoming mage change:

"Changed Static Field damage from 2520 wind + 2520 elemental damage to 3780 elemental damage."

Nice change... but:

It's not a secret that some mage classes are very strong atm and nearly every class uses static field.

But in my opinion with this nerf the class who suffers the most is the /w. -> Not really played at all too.

Mage classes like /druid and /scout won't get affected that much.

The elemental damage of the /druid nearly compensates the dmg you loose by having enough elemental dmg and the /scout has anyway way more other skills which are not main class based which pushes him.

The more % elemental dmg you have the less this nerf will affect the mage class. And like i said /w (with only 1x 10%) suffers way more from this nerf than the classes that should get affected.

Btw the m/wl has fire dmg output whyever as his elemental dmg output which would nerf him also very hard. He should do wind damage (36,2% by plasma arrow) because thats what he has the most % of. (tell me if im wrong)

I'd suggest to nerf the elite skills of these classes instead/additionally instead.

Like this one "Reduced Magma Blade range to 180, reduced earth damage portion to 1449 from 1932."

Edit: What i forgot to mention is - most classes also use a second skill besides static field (/s, /d, /wd etc.) too and in case of the m/w for example its not the case so the nerf would affect his trash dmg nearly by 100%

Im open for feedback

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Quote from Madox

I found rogues doing same dmg as my best mage and with some rogue combos I had nothing to do. Let's say I disagree with all this nonsense. Yes Reve, stop trolling xD

I can agree with that

Removing the %elemental dmg would instantly kill the whole class.

Also i don't think rogue is weak. Rogues for example do way more bossdmg.

It really depends on the player too and looking only at one person is not very accurate.

I personally saw enough ppl who played the same class and the one with lower gear did more dmg.

Quote from espar91

it is unfortunately not my problem that players are picking mage over rogue for some reason.

I can 100% agree on that. Often are classes not weak but just not played. I don't know why people say classes are weak just because no one plays them. Rogues and scouts are not dead btw. Just not played atm (scouts).

Also mage has a lower skillcap in my opinion then other pdd classes. I often see randoms with nearly the same gear but have a huge difference in their dmg output.

I just wanted to mention this and it's important which players you compare. Gear and playstyle/skill make a huge difference.

Heyho,

I'd like to see purified packages

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